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I always found lawyers to be interesting… they are not responsible for you. They help guide you and argue for your case. But if they mess up, that doesn’t send

I always found lawyers to be interesting… they are not responsible for you. They help guide you and argue for your case. But if they mess up, that doesn’t send them to jail. You can fire them or report them. But that’s it. You’re still screwed. Really the only one in the court working for you, is yourself. So ideally we’d make it easier to represent yourself. As long as your capable of doing such. I quite like this idea, since ChatGPT could be setup to work for you. Provide you with 100% of the possible resolutions to your case and you can pick the one you want to go with. And if your argument is wrong it’s your fault. They can suggest or recommend a specific one or something. Same as a lawyer would.

eru 4y ago
> I always found lawyers to be interesting… they are not responsible for you. They help guide you and argue for your case. But if they mess up, that doesn’t send them to jail. You can fire them or report them. But that’s it. You’re still screwed. A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either.
- dubcanada 4y ago
  Yup that’s another area I think AI could help. I’m not saying you know best. But if a AI gives you like 5 possibilities and maybe suggests 2 or 3 that in my mind could be better than a doctor doing the same. Not because a doctor is wrong, but it’s nearly impossible for a general doctor (not a highly specialized one) to know every possibility, but an AI can look at so many factors, living area, other diagnosis related to similar environments, every similar looking scan from the entire dataset, etc. and maybe with the help of a doctor you can pinpoint a solution. I think there is a good avenue for a strong supporting role for AI. And teaching people to use it as a support mechanism.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  > A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either. She can be sued and lose her license.
  - watwut 4y ago
    Same actually goes for layers. They can lose the license or be otherwise sanctioned by court.
  - LarryMullins 4y ago
    That's extremely rare, despite medical malpractice being the third leading cause of death in America. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_su...
    - jfk13 4y ago
      Misleading. That report discusses "medical errors", not "medical malpractice". They are not the same thing.
      - LarryMullins 4y ago
        Potato, potato. Getting killed by a doctor fucking up is the third leading cause of death in America and doctors VERY RARELY ever face consequences for this.
        jfk13 4y ago
        Doctors -- and the wider medical systems they're part of -- are certainly not perfect. I think there are issues with the American health system (if it's even meaningful to refer to "a system" there) that are crying out for reform and improvement. But your sort of inflammatory comments are neither accurate nor helpful. That's just mud-slinging to try and score cheap points. [Edited to add:] To quote from your own link above: > The researchers caution that most of medical errors aren’t due to inherently bad doctors, and that reporting these errors shouldn’t be addressed by punishment or legal action. Rather, they say, most errors represent systemic problems, including poorly coordinated care, fragmented insurance networks, the absence or underuse of safety nets, and other protocols, in addition to unwarranted variation in physician practice patterns that lack accountability. IMO, "killed by a doctor fucking up" is not a fair summary of that.
smorrebrod 4y ago
I don't know if that's what you're talking about but you can sue your lawyer for professional negligence if they didn't do their job properly.
- mandmandam 4y ago
  This isn't quite true. You can only sue for negligence if you can prove you were going to win without the negligence. And it will cost you ten thousand dollars just to begin the process. So if there's any doubt that you're going to win - any at all - your own $600/hr lawyer can flat out fuck you over. And there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it.
  - rcme 4y ago
    > You can only sue for negligence if you can prove you were going to win without the negligence. And it will cost you ten thousand dollars just to begin the process. That's not true. For instance, missing a filing deadline is considered professional negligence, regardless of the strength of the case.
    - mandmandam 4y ago
      Thanks! That might be very important info. However, there seems to still be the caveat that missing that deadline needs to have "caused you harm" - which entails proving that you would have won your case otherwise, no?
      - rcme 4y ago
        At a minimum, you'd be entitled to any fees paid to the lawyer regardless of the outcome.
sbaiddn 4y ago
Following your line of thought, I would love it if software engineers lost all their personal privacy every time their product got hacked or was built to spy on others. What can I say? I'm a dreamer.

eru 4y ago

> I always found lawyers to be interesting… they are not responsible for you. They help guide you and argue for your case. But if they mess up, that doesn’t send them to jail. You can fire them or report them. But that’s it. You’re still screwed. A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either.

dubcanada 4y ago
Yup that’s another area I think AI could help. I’m not saying you know best. But if a AI gives you like 5 possibilities and maybe suggests 2 or 3 that in my mind could be better than a doctor doing the same. Not because a doctor is wrong, but it’s nearly impossible for a general doctor (not a highly specialized one) to know every possibility, but an AI can look at so many factors, living area, other diagnosis related to similar environments, every similar looking scan from the entire dataset, etc. and maybe with the help of a doctor you can pinpoint a solution. I think there is a good avenue for a strong supporting role for AI. And teaching people to use it as a support mechanism.
PartiallyTyped 4y ago
> A physician doesn't injure herself when she mistreats you either. She can be sued and lose her license.
- watwut 4y ago
  Same actually goes for layers. They can lose the license or be otherwise sanctioned by court.
- LarryMullins 4y ago
  That's extremely rare, despite medical malpractice being the third leading cause of death in America. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_su...
  - jfk13 4y ago
    Misleading. That report discusses "medical errors", not "medical malpractice". They are not the same thing.
    - LarryMullins 4y ago
      Potato, potato. Getting killed by a doctor fucking up is the third leading cause of death in America and doctors VERY RARELY ever face consequences for this.
      - jfk13 4y ago
        Doctors -- and the wider medical systems they're part of -- are certainly not perfect. I think there are issues with the American health system (if it's even meaningful to refer to "a system" there) that are crying out for reform and improvement. But your sort of inflammatory comments are neither accurate nor helpful. That's just mud-slinging to try and score cheap points. [Edited to add:] To quote from your own link above: > The researchers caution that most of medical errors aren’t due to inherently bad doctors, and that reporting these errors shouldn’t be addressed by punishment or legal action. Rather, they say, most errors represent systemic problems, including poorly coordinated care, fragmented insurance networks, the absence or underuse of safety nets, and other protocols, in addition to unwarranted variation in physician practice patterns that lack accountability. IMO, "killed by a doctor fucking up" is not a fair summary of that.

smorrebrod 4y ago

I don't know if that's what you're talking about but you can sue your lawyer for professional negligence if they didn't do their job properly.

mandmandam 4y ago
This isn't quite true. You can only sue for negligence if you can prove you were going to win without the negligence. And it will cost you ten thousand dollars just to begin the process. So if there's any doubt that you're going to win - any at all - your own $600/hr lawyer can flat out fuck you over. And there isn't a fucking thing you can do about it.
- rcme 4y ago
  > You can only sue for negligence if you can prove you were going to win without the negligence. And it will cost you ten thousand dollars just to begin the process. That's not true. For instance, missing a filing deadline is considered professional negligence, regardless of the strength of the case.
  - mandmandam 4y ago
    Thanks! That might be very important info. However, there seems to still be the caveat that missing that deadline needs to have "caused you harm" - which entails proving that you would have won your case otherwise, no?
    - rcme 4y ago
      At a minimum, you'd be entitled to any fees paid to the lawyer regardless of the outcome.

sbaiddn 4y ago

Following your line of thought, I would love it if software engineers lost all their personal privacy every time their product got hacked or was built to spy on others. What can I say? I'm a dreamer.