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The real gerontocracy are the neighborhoods who calcify their cities by restricting what can be built.

by ideamotor 4y ago

erklik 4y ago
I never understood how America with it's "freedom" situation allowed the amount of zoning restrictions to occur.
- orthecreedence 4y ago
  "Freedom" in the USA also means "freedom to control others." It's baked into our culture. Look at our relationship with Latin America...
- courgette 4y ago
  We all love to make fun of US citizen. It's an endless source of entertainment, but zoning restriction make sense to me? But maybe because I never lived on the west coast? Is zoning restriction a poorly use tool there?
mullingitover 4y ago
It's been glorious watching the various communities in California refuse to come up with their mandated housing elements, get their zoning privileges stripped, and then flail about with various stages of grief and denial when the new builder's remedy rules bulldoze them.
- catiopatio 4y ago
  Is it succeeding in lowering housing costs? What is the net impact on quality of life?
  - mullingitover 4y ago
    > Is it succeeding in lowering housing costs? Give it time, there's a lot of long-term damage to the housing market and this is just a baby step in the right direction. > What is the net impact on quality of life? Well hopefully when this thing really gets rolling, quality of life might improve for the 25% of renters in the state who are paying over 50% of their income in rent and utilities.
    - catiopatio 4y ago
      Will you be open to reconsidering your base premise if/when this experiment fails to produce the intended outcome?
      - mullingitover 4y ago
        Sure, if California builds the roughly 1 million units of housing it’s missing and people are still suffering extreme rent burdens I’ll be willing to eat my words.
      - ideamotor 4y ago
        This is a joke, right?
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > Is it succeeding in lowering housing costs? Not yet. The first wave of developments is now in the pipeline, not yet built.

The real gerontocracy are the neighborhoods who calcify their cities by restricting what can be built.

erklik 4y ago

I never understood how America with it's "freedom" situation allowed the amount of zoning restrictions to occur.

orthecreedence 4y ago
"Freedom" in the USA also means "freedom to control others." It's baked into our culture. Look at our relationship with Latin America...
courgette 4y ago
We all love to make fun of US citizen. It's an endless source of entertainment, but zoning restriction make sense to me? But maybe because I never lived on the west coast? Is zoning restriction a poorly use tool there?

mullingitover 4y ago

It's been glorious watching the various communities in California refuse to come up with their mandated housing elements, get their zoning privileges stripped, and then flail about with various stages of grief and denial when the new builder's remedy rules bulldoze them.

catiopatio 4y ago
Is it succeeding in lowering housing costs? What is the net impact on quality of life?
- mullingitover 4y ago
  > Is it succeeding in lowering housing costs? Give it time, there's a lot of long-term damage to the housing market and this is just a baby step in the right direction. > What is the net impact on quality of life? Well hopefully when this thing really gets rolling, quality of life might improve for the 25% of renters in the state who are paying over 50% of their income in rent and utilities.
  - catiopatio 4y ago
    Will you be open to reconsidering your base premise if/when this experiment fails to produce the intended outcome?
    - mullingitover 4y ago
      Sure, if California builds the roughly 1 million units of housing it’s missing and people are still suffering extreme rent burdens I’ll be willing to eat my words.
    - ideamotor 4y ago
      This is a joke, right?
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Is it succeeding in lowering housing costs? Not yet. The first wave of developments is now in the pipeline, not yet built.