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Also, why not support Opensky which has an academic background and is already well established?

by dx034 4y ago

rektide 4y ago
I want very much to believe in both projects. Both seem well intended. Alas, for many similar reasons I'm unconvinced by Opensky as well. There are some projects up[1] but there doesn't appear to be any public development for the vast majority of the work. There are decent API docs, and ToS, which is a positive. However the rate limits are pretty low (1000 calls/day[2]) & the data does not appear to have any other distributions available. The internet has massive amounts of invisible labor that go into keeping communities & systems afloat. It's amazing how far it gets us. But it's always unclear, how do these projects scale as needed? What happens as costs grow? Lets look briefly at the example of another big data operator out there, npm, the javascript package manager & website/repository of packages. Npm was owned by Isaac Schlueter, who created in 2009. In 2020, IrisCouch volunteered to provide hosting services for free. They were acquired by Nodejitsu, who in 2013 ran a "Scalenpm" campaign to crowdsource some funding. In 2013 Isaac created npm, inc & began hosting the repo. Microsoft bought npm in 2020, & so far npm has continued to operate a free public registry. Figuring out how to keep this project going across a decade was hard work, with enormous sums spent & tons of work poured in. I know much less, but, like, Java's earlier pretty-big Maven ecosystem seems largely to have existed under the benevolent hand of SonaType (although other repositories have come and gone). There's definitely some goal/dream, that projects like IPFS or Nostro or someone can help marshal & make this data available. There's still a host of other sub-problems to figuring out how something like flight tracking or package managing would actually work atop such a system. Search & discovery, authenticity, trying to effectively index/collate data to make it consumeable are all various extra levels of problem, where again centralized infrastructure plus distributed storage might work, but ideally, we could really distribute the work out. Until then, it feels like we're kind of stuck trusting benevolent for now leaders, who have limited time and hardware resources to share. [1] https://github.com/openskynetwork https://github.com/openskynetwork [2] https://openskynetwork.github.io/opensky-api/rest.html#limitations-for-opensky-users https://openskynetwork.github.io/opensky-api/rest.html#limit...

Also, why not support Opensky which has an academic background and is already well established?

by dx034 4y ago

Also, why not support Opensky which has an academic background and is already well established?

I want very much to believe in both projects. Both seem well intended. Alas, for many similar reasons I'm unconvinced by Opensky as well. There are some projects up[1] but there doesn't appear to be any public development for the vast majority of the work. There are decent API docs, and ToS, which is a positive. However the rate limits are pretty low (1000 calls/day[2]) & the data does not appear to have any other distributions available. The internet has massive amounts of invisible labor that go into keeping communities & systems afloat. It's amazing how far it gets us. But it's always unclear, how do these projects scale as needed? What happens as costs grow? Lets look briefly at the example of another big data operator out there, npm, the javascript package manager & website/repository of packages. Npm was owned by Isaac Schlueter, who created in 2009. In 2020, IrisCouch volunteered to provide hosting services for free. They were acquired by Nodejitsu, who in 2013 ran a "Scalenpm" campaign to crowdsource some funding. In 2013 Isaac created npm, inc & began hosting the repo. Microsoft bought npm in 2020, & so far npm has continued to operate a free public registry. Figuring out how to keep this project going across a decade was hard work, with enormous sums spent & tons of work poured in. I know much less, but, like, Java's earlier pretty-big Maven ecosystem seems largely to have existed under the benevolent hand of SonaType (although other repositories have come and gone). There's definitely some goal/dream, that projects like IPFS or Nostro or someone can help marshal & make this data available. There's still a host of other sub-problems to figuring out how something like flight tracking or package managing would actually work atop such a system. Search & discovery, authenticity, trying to effectively index/collate data to make it consumeable are all various extra levels of problem, where again centralized infrastructure plus distributed storage might work, but ideally, we could really distribute the work out. Until then, it feels like we're kind of stuck trusting benevolent for now leaders, who have limited time and hardware resources to share. [1] https://github.com/openskynetwork https://github.com/openskynetwork [2] https://openskynetwork.github.io/opensky-api/rest.html#limitations-for-opensky-users https://openskynetwork.github.io/opensky-api/rest.html#limit...