> But makes us fairly good activists that don't just use hype but real arguments (and in some cases real action). You're joking, right? Programmers, engineeer

> But makes us fairly good activists that don't just use hype but real arguments (and in some cases real action). You're joking, right? Programmers, engineeers, scientists all will/do use hype so on. Disagree? Emacs vs vi. risc vs cisc. There are plenty of examples near our "core" - do you really think that we get better as we get away from that?