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"""For me, having reliable builds is FAR more important than the editor holding my hand with respect to Java syntax.""" I don't understand what "reliable build

"""For me, having reliable builds is FAR more important than the editor holding my hand with respect to Java syntax.""" I don't understand what "reliable builds" means in this context. I never had "unreliable builds" from Eclipse. Also, what you call "holding your hand" actually is automating tedious manual labor re Java syntax, and continuous AST based syntax checking. That --and build automation, is exactly what people want from an IDE. If you don't care for those, yeah, use anything else. I find anything without actual AST-based syntax checking/autocomplete/navigation/refactoring as a dumb text editor, Emacs included. Now, Eclipse has tons of problems, but that it got right. It's sad that there is not a modern, GUI based, editor, with pluggable language support for multi-language use, using full AST power (regex highliting and ctags is so last century) while also being lean and mean...

SomeCallMeTim 15y ago
Have you done Android development? Have you ever changed a file outside of Eclipse? That's where the unreliability comes in. I've said above, and I'll say again: With respect to helping you out with Java, it's really nice. It goes beyond what SlickEdit does, though SlickEdit does a few things for you. ctags sucks; that's a given. SlickEdit goes beyond simple regex highlighting, but it's not completely AST-based syntax checking etc. Of course Eclipse only gets THAT right in Java, not the languages I actually care about (C++ and Lua). Most of my coding these days is in Lua. Instead of having an editor write code for me because the syntax includes lots of tedious manual labor, the syntax itself is clean and I write fewer lines of code. >It's sad that there is not a modern, GUI based, editor, with pluggable language support for multi-language use, using full AST power (regex highliting and ctags is so last century) while also being lean and mean... Not sure if you're being ironic here, but I think it WOULD be possible. Almost certainly not if it's written in Java, however. You lose "lean and mean" the moment you start up the JVM, IMO. Another thing I haven't tried is the SlickEdit plug-in for Eclipse: https://www.slickedit.com/products/slickedit-core https://www.slickedit.com/products/slickedit-core Though since SlickEdit itself is heavy, I'm not sure that layering one heavy environment on top of another makes any sense. Maybe the plug-in isn't as heavy? Don't know.
- jebblue 15y ago
  >> Have you done Android development? Yes I have and I find Eclipse is awesome for Android development. >> Have you ever changed a file outside of Eclipse? That's where the unreliability comes in. Yes, I always turn on Auto-refresh in the Workspace settings. Works great, it should be on by default in all new workspaces I think.

SomeCallMeTim 15y ago

Have you done Android development? Have you ever changed a file outside of Eclipse? That's where the unreliability comes in. I've said above, and I'll say again: With respect to helping you out with Java, it's really nice. It goes beyond what SlickEdit does, though SlickEdit does a few things for you. ctags sucks; that's a given. SlickEdit goes beyond simple regex highlighting, but it's not completely AST-based syntax checking etc. Of course Eclipse only gets THAT right in Java, not the languages I actually care about (C++ and Lua). Most of my coding these days is in Lua. Instead of having an editor write code for me because the syntax includes lots of tedious manual labor, the syntax itself is clean and I write fewer lines of code. >It's sad that there is not a modern, GUI based, editor, with pluggable language support for multi-language use, using full AST power (regex highliting and ctags is so last century) while also being lean and mean... Not sure if you're being ironic here, but I think it WOULD be possible. Almost certainly not if it's written in Java, however. You lose "lean and mean" the moment you start up the JVM, IMO. Another thing I haven't tried is the SlickEdit plug-in for Eclipse: https://www.slickedit.com/products/slickedit-core https://www.slickedit.com/products/slickedit-core Though since SlickEdit itself is heavy, I'm not sure that layering one heavy environment on top of another makes any sense. Maybe the plug-in isn't as heavy? Don't know.

jebblue 15y ago
>> Have you done Android development? Yes I have and I find Eclipse is awesome for Android development. >> Have you ever changed a file outside of Eclipse? That's where the unreliability comes in. Yes, I always turn on Auto-refresh in the Workspace settings. Works great, it should be on by default in all new workspaces I think.