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Yay another phage thread! Phages do work, and we've treated a small bunch of people at Phage Australia for our clinical trial. There's a few things about usin
by yawnxyz 4y ago
Yay another phage thread!
Phages do work, and we've treated a small bunch of people at Phage Australia for our clinical trial.
There's a few things about using phages for treatments I think everyone should be aware of:
(1) phages work!! The physicians we work with (and ourselves) are surprised every time they work. It's just really labor and time-intensive.
(2) if antibiotics are "bite sized snacks" then phages are like "getting a personalized chef
- a course of phages should be highly personalized to the pathogens causing trouble, and sometimes the antibiotics. Too generic and it won't work. Too personalized and it's too expensive. Tricky balance. We're collecting data and trying to figure out what that balance is. Every patient is very different though and it's hard to draw conclusions and see patterns.
(3) at Phage Australia we're not doing the cocktail approach — we're (trying to) assembling a library of phages that should be able to cover lots of common pathogens and local outbreaks. We work with antibiotic resistance reference labs and hopefully eventually get enough coverage, by building a library of phages that we can mix and match before we get an inquiry. The TGA is onboard with this. (The FDA is looking into this tentatively; look up Adaptive Phage Therapeutics). The kind of phage therapy we're looking at is closer to CAR T-cell therapy, FMT and other kinds of individual / personalized therapies.
tl;dr: Phages work, but getting them and getting/paying for them is more like a service and less like a pill. It's also very expensive and hard to do today. We to work with regulators to push more personalized therapies. The age of generic pills in a bottle is slowly fading away.
(Source: I'm the "computer person" aka research software engineer on the Phage Australia clinical trial)
- dmix 4y agoI'm curious what drives customers to these services. Why would someone want to pay for a customized phage service? Someone who is taking lots of antibiotics or concerned about them?
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- importantbrian 4y agoNo OP, but my guess would be people who have drug resistant bacterial infections and don't have another option.
- smallerfish 4y agoAre y'all using this for lyme disease? It seems like a billion dollar opportunity right there if somebody can make this reliable.