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Actually, how hard would it be, really? All you'd need to do is create a central registry of content-owners and licensed content-users, build Shazam-like conten
by pfraze 15y ago
Actually, how hard would it be, really? All you'd need to do is create a central registry of content-owners and licensed content-users, build Shazam-like content-detection, then force everybody to operate on that infrastructure.
Please don't do that, but how hard would it be?
- danso 15y agoWell...there's a lot of reasons...but let's shift focus from music/movies to something like photos. You can imagine how arduous it would be to maintain a database like that that even if possible from a technical standpoint, would not be an undue burden upon photo sellers/buyers. Plus, a one-stop centralized database of everyone who owns everything from "Casablanca" to "Debbie Does Dallas"? That's something that might give the database-fearing crowd some pause.
- pfraze 15y agoA massive search index of the open Internet still gives me pause, but there it is!
- warfangle 15y agoGiven that any content ever must be recorded in said registry, and you must register (and probably pay a fee!) before ever publishing anything. Including forum posts. Doubtful. Scary, but doubtful.
- nkassis 15y agoWhat follows is a just a completely hypothetical idea that shouldn't be taken seriously ;p Let's say we went from "everything has copyright" to "you must register with the copyright office to get a copyright". Now it does have a lot of drawbacks but for most things like this post on HN I could care less that it's copied elsewhere yet currently there is a copyright on this post. Now in a system like that what would prevent the copyright office to make publicly available a database of hashes for copyrighted content like videos,music,text that would allow people from Google and elsewhere to make a resonable assumption about licensing? This DB could contain a list of urls that are allowed to host the said content or offer more open terms. In a way google already started such a DB for youtube but it's prone to abuse and contesting copyright on there isn't exactly simple to do.(as seen from the megaupload thing)
- anamax 15y ago> publicly available a database of hashes for copyrighted content What about "derived work"? It's relatively easy to make a "copy" that displays/plays the same but has a completely different hash. In fact, it's very difficult to get the same hash on a excerpt. And then there's fair-use.
- nkassis 15y agoAll valid points but then youtube is doing something that allows them to detect even derived work albeit they do have access to the full video so that might not work for everyone. At the very least with a registration based system it's clearer who "owns" what.
- Natsu 15y agoThat's how copyright used to work, but they got rid of that after the Berne convention. Also, Google has some very fancy tech; it's not something just anybody could make work. And even they don't have it working all that great. And then there's the matter of who has to bear the cost of creating and placing the filters, sites outside our jurisdiction that don't bother with those expensive filters, etc. You end up hobbling the US tech industry for no reason, putting everyone at a competitive disadvantage.
- SoftwareMaven 15y agoDon't forget to ID every user on every access so you can see what permission they have. Without any regard to requiring your papers to traverse the Internet, I can't imagine how difficult that would be to scale. And if it goes wrong, the whole Internet goes down.
- pfraze 15y agoNah, you just need it for content uploaders and copyright holders. No need to implement a global permissioning system.
- burgerbrain 15y agoIn case you haven't been paying attention for the past decade or so, "uploaders" are now the general population. Everyone uploads things.
- Natsu 15y agoI get the feeling that a lot of people have no idea how bittorrent works.
- burgerbrain 15y agoYes. Or simply just posting comments online.
- pfraze 15y agoIt's not that I'm unaware of peer-to-peer sharing, or the fact that uploading is inherently part of browsing. My thinking is, most content hosts are published to be found. An indexing process could find published content, and laws could enforce findability. It's about as effective as our existing regulatory systems. For instance, a lot of commerce is taxed and regulated, but you could just walk up to somebody and make exchange. Never air-tight, but it is enforcement. Is my suggestion wise? I definitely don't think so, but it is feasible. And maybe I'm not considering something correctly -- but, please, don't be rude about my technical prowess. I'm just trying to strengthen our argument.
- Natsu 15y agoThe endpoints of the internet are not secure. Worse, pretty much all of our wireless protocols are broken right now, so a determined person can hack almost any wireless access point. There was a nice story about that on HN a while ago. Right now, there's a lot less incentive to do all of that. But change to a system like this and people will just start trading in stolen accounts, much like they already trade in stolen credit cards.