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Does anyone want to fund an open ADSB data gathering platform for a nonprofit to run?

gggggg5 4y ago
GDPR compliance is a big problem in this space, there's no GDPR exception which would allow you to legally collect this data in the EU. (Unless you limited your collection to whitelisted A/C) Right now every single player in this space is operating illegally, but it'll probably take years before data protection authorities will start to crack down.
- looping__lui 4y ago
  Yes, and FR24 is investigated in the EU: https://se.linkedin.com/pulse/en-digitalsektor-ger-imy-m%C3%A5nga-klagom%C3%A5l-fr%C3%A5n-andra-eu-l%C3%A4nder-borre https://se.linkedin.com/pulse/en-digitalsektor-ger-imy-m%C3%...
- sigmar 4y ago
  Is SDR accessible through the internet a violation of GDPR? Hard for me to understand why relaying ADS-B would be different (considering the sdr data is inclusive of the ADS-B data)
  - tialaramex 4y ago
    I'm going to guess that collecting / organising the data is a problem. Data Protection laws, and I believe the GDPR is the same, aren't interested in just stuff you've got, for example if you write a blog, and you mention that you saw Jim at the weekend and his sister is apparently pregnant, these laws do not consider that you've got a database there with a single row ("Jim's sister" "Pregnant") which needs to be treated as PII and have Subject access requirements etc. You're not really collecting pregnancy status data about women, you just have a blog post. Whereas if I build a scraper, and I search thousands of blogs and correlate stuff to build a Postgres DB with "Jim's sister" "Pregnant" as one of dozens of rows, that is the sort of thing these laws care about. So I can imagine that likewise "Here are radio signals I am receiving" looks like public information, no big deal, whereas "Here is a database of records I gathered by studying the past 24 hours of radio signals" is different.
- wkat4242 4y ago
  Why? GDPR is about personal data. This data is about airplanes, not people.
  - gggggg5 4y ago
    Because the data can often easily be tied to specific people. You also can't set up a camera on the side of the road and store peoples registration plates and times when they drove past. You could also easily track cellphone IMEIs and locations in the same way these services track aircraft, that's not gonna fly either. Obviously you'll be completely fine if you only store data on commercial aviation, general aviation will pretty much immediately veer into GDPR territory.
    - wkat4242 4y ago
      It's not a direct link though. The owner of the airplane doesn't actually have to be in it. And very often it's a company anyway. > You also can't set up a camera on the side of the road and store peoples registration plates and times when they drove past. That's just because setting up cameras on public roads isn't allowed as you can capture people as well. Writing down license plates would be fine.
      - lfodofod 4y ago
        > That's just because setting up cameras on public roads isn't allowed as you can capture people as well. Writing down license plates would be fine. Nonsense. https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-851 https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-851 https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-829 https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-829
jjcon 4y ago
Looks like the official discord community (now formerly official I guess) is pushing airframes.io

GDPR compliance is a big problem in this space, there's no GDPR exception which would allow you to legally collect this data in the EU. (Unless you limited your collection to whitelisted A/C) Right now every single player in this space is operating illegally, but it'll probably take years before data protection authorities will start to crack down.

looping__lui 4y ago
Yes, and FR24 is investigated in the EU: https://se.linkedin.com/pulse/en-digitalsektor-ger-imy-m%C3%A5nga-klagom%C3%A5l-fr%C3%A5n-andra-eu-l%C3%A4nder-borre https://se.linkedin.com/pulse/en-digitalsektor-ger-imy-m%C3%...
sigmar 4y ago
Is SDR accessible through the internet a violation of GDPR? Hard for me to understand why relaying ADS-B would be different (considering the sdr data is inclusive of the ADS-B data)
- tialaramex 4y ago
  I'm going to guess that collecting / organising the data is a problem. Data Protection laws, and I believe the GDPR is the same, aren't interested in just stuff you've got, for example if you write a blog, and you mention that you saw Jim at the weekend and his sister is apparently pregnant, these laws do not consider that you've got a database there with a single row ("Jim's sister" "Pregnant") which needs to be treated as PII and have Subject access requirements etc. You're not really collecting pregnancy status data about women, you just have a blog post. Whereas if I build a scraper, and I search thousands of blogs and correlate stuff to build a Postgres DB with "Jim's sister" "Pregnant" as one of dozens of rows, that is the sort of thing these laws care about. So I can imagine that likewise "Here are radio signals I am receiving" looks like public information, no big deal, whereas "Here is a database of records I gathered by studying the past 24 hours of radio signals" is different.
wkat4242 4y ago
Why? GDPR is about personal data. This data is about airplanes, not people.
- gggggg5 4y ago
  Because the data can often easily be tied to specific people. You also can't set up a camera on the side of the road and store peoples registration plates and times when they drove past. You could also easily track cellphone IMEIs and locations in the same way these services track aircraft, that's not gonna fly either. Obviously you'll be completely fine if you only store data on commercial aviation, general aviation will pretty much immediately veer into GDPR territory.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    It's not a direct link though. The owner of the airplane doesn't actually have to be in it. And very often it's a company anyway. > You also can't set up a camera on the side of the road and store peoples registration plates and times when they drove past. That's just because setting up cameras on public roads isn't allowed as you can capture people as well. Writing down license plates would be fine.
    - lfodofod 4y ago
      > That's just because setting up cameras on public roads isn't allowed as you can capture people as well. Writing down license plates would be fine. Nonsense. https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-851 https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-851 https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-829 https://www.enforcementtracker.com/ETid-829

jjcon 4y ago

Looks like the official discord community (now formerly official I guess) is pushing airframes.io