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I would much rather be white in applying to any of those things. It’s a pretty obvious choice. BLACK AND WHITE: ACCESS TO CAPITAL AMONG MINORITY-OWNED STARTUPS

I would much rather be white in applying to any of those things. It’s a pretty obvious choice. BLACK AND WHITE: ACCESS TO CAPITAL AMONG MINORITY-OWNED STARTUPS https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28154/w28154.pdf https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w28154/w281... Job Applicants With ‘Black Names’ Still Less Likely to Get Interviews https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-29/job-applicants-with-black-names-still-less-likely-to-get-the-interview https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-07-29/job-appli... As to your comment about asians, my last reply already explained in great detail why you can expect to see socio-economic differences in class.

yucky 4y ago
Fascinating that despite the fact that DEI initiatives would give you a huge advantage you still wouldn't want to be black. I guess that says something. And FYI that names study has been debunked a number of times. They didn't test stereotypically low class white names like Wilbur, Billy Bob, Roscoe, Harlan etc. for males or Crystal, Daisy, etc. for females.
- mrtesthah 4y ago
  If you think that black people have a “huge advantage” in society then you need to educate yourself. There’s plenty of data on hiring discrimination for you: https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-... I’ve literally had someone whose job it was to read resumes for their company straight up admit to me that they throw resumes with black-sounding names straight into the trash. You still didn’t respond to my comment, which spelled out very clearly the role of racial discrimination in society that you seem to interested in denying. Instead, you change the topic from criminalization to college admissions. I wonder why.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Do you not know what DEI initiatives at large companies are and what they do? And did you know that there is a case in front of the Supreme Court where it was proven that Asians were disadvantaged in admissions due to their race because Harvard wanted to increase their percentage of black and Hispanic students? So yes, there is an advantage when a company or a school specifically sets out to bring you in because you have the right skin color. As far as racial discrimination in society (institutional racial preferences), my take on it is that race should never be used as a factor in hiring, sentencing, admissions etc. Individual racism is what it is. If I walk down the street and someone calls me a cracker or says they hate white people or whatever, that sucks and is unfortunate but ultimately you can't do anything about it because people will think how they think. It's the institutionalized racial preferences that do the most harm, and those need to change. > I’ve literally had someone whose job it was to read resumes for their company straight up admit to me that they throw resumes with black-sounding names straight into the trash. Oh yeah? Which company? That's highly illegal so I'm assuming you informed the boss and filed a complaint with the EEOC right?
    - mrtesthah 4y ago
      Guess what millions of individual instances of racism amount to, when those instances involve people with power using it against those who lack it? It becomes systemic, institutionalized. American society has held this bias against blacks for literally hundreds of years. Deliberate institutional preference in the other direction is the very least we can try to do to make up for that historical legacy, and even those efforts amount to a vanishingly small difference. Which company? They’re in central Indiana. Not telling an unknown internet stranger who apparently argues in bad faith.
      - yucky 4y ago
        > Guess what millions of individual instances of racism amount to, when those instances involve people with power using it against those who lack it? It becomes systemic, institutionalized. And yet all of the actual institutionalized policies that consider race, favor non-whites or non-Asians. > Which company? They’re in central Indiana. Uh-huh. And what did the EEOC do when you gave them that information? What did the company leadership do when you informed them that one of their employees was violating multiple federal laws?
        mrtesthah 4y ago
        > And yet all of the actual institutionalized policies that consider race, favor non-whites or non-Asians. In case you couldn't guess, the point is to support systemically marginalized groups. white and asian people have not been subject to slavery, jim crow laws, sundown laws, redlining, voter disenfranchisement, targeted mass incarceration, etc. I'll answer your question after you respond to literally any of the things I've said so far in my comments. And I've got some questions for you: Why should I believe that someone who claims that white supremacy doesn't even exist cares about EEOC complaints? Do you think that such disingenuous questions convey your points more effectively, or less? Is there a reason that each new reply shifts the rhetorical goalposts?
        yucky 4y ago

yucky 4y ago

Fascinating that despite the fact that DEI initiatives would give you a huge advantage you still wouldn't want to be black. I guess that says something. And FYI that names study has been debunked a number of times. They didn't test stereotypically low class white names like Wilbur, Billy Bob, Roscoe, Harlan etc. for males or Crystal, Daisy, etc. for females.

mrtesthah 4y ago
If you think that black people have a “huge advantage” in society then you need to educate yourself. There’s plenty of data on hiring discrimination for you: https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-americans-hasnt-declined-in-25-years https://hbr.org/2017/10/hiring-discrimination-against-black-... I’ve literally had someone whose job it was to read resumes for their company straight up admit to me that they throw resumes with black-sounding names straight into the trash. You still didn’t respond to my comment, which spelled out very clearly the role of racial discrimination in society that you seem to interested in denying. Instead, you change the topic from criminalization to college admissions. I wonder why.
- yucky 4y ago
  Do you not know what DEI initiatives at large companies are and what they do? And did you know that there is a case in front of the Supreme Court where it was proven that Asians were disadvantaged in admissions due to their race because Harvard wanted to increase their percentage of black and Hispanic students? So yes, there is an advantage when a company or a school specifically sets out to bring you in because you have the right skin color. As far as racial discrimination in society (institutional racial preferences), my take on it is that race should never be used as a factor in hiring, sentencing, admissions etc. Individual racism is what it is. If I walk down the street and someone calls me a cracker or says they hate white people or whatever, that sucks and is unfortunate but ultimately you can't do anything about it because people will think how they think. It's the institutionalized racial preferences that do the most harm, and those need to change. > I’ve literally had someone whose job it was to read resumes for their company straight up admit to me that they throw resumes with black-sounding names straight into the trash. Oh yeah? Which company? That's highly illegal so I'm assuming you informed the boss and filed a complaint with the EEOC right?
  - mrtesthah 4y ago
    Guess what millions of individual instances of racism amount to, when those instances involve people with power using it against those who lack it? It becomes systemic, institutionalized. American society has held this bias against blacks for literally hundreds of years. Deliberate institutional preference in the other direction is the very least we can try to do to make up for that historical legacy, and even those efforts amount to a vanishingly small difference. Which company? They’re in central Indiana. Not telling an unknown internet stranger who apparently argues in bad faith.
    - yucky 4y ago
      > Guess what millions of individual instances of racism amount to, when those instances involve people with power using it against those who lack it? It becomes systemic, institutionalized. And yet all of the actual institutionalized policies that consider race, favor non-whites or non-Asians. > Which company? They’re in central Indiana. Uh-huh. And what did the EEOC do when you gave them that information? What did the company leadership do when you informed them that one of their employees was violating multiple federal laws?
      - mrtesthah 4y ago
        > And yet all of the actual institutionalized policies that consider race, favor non-whites or non-Asians. In case you couldn't guess, the point is to support systemically marginalized groups. white and asian people have not been subject to slavery, jim crow laws, sundown laws, redlining, voter disenfranchisement, targeted mass incarceration, etc. I'll answer your question after you respond to literally any of the things I've said so far in my comments. And I've got some questions for you: Why should I believe that someone who claims that white supremacy doesn't even exist cares about EEOC complaints? Do you think that such disingenuous questions convey your points more effectively, or less? Is there a reason that each new reply shifts the rhetorical goalposts?
        yucky 4y ago