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Pretty ironic seeing as just a few months ago, everyone was ghosting employers, taking counteroffers after accepting, and "quiet quitting". So let's quit prete

Pretty ironic seeing as just a few months ago, everyone was ghosting employers, taking counteroffers after accepting, and "quiet quitting". So let's quit pretending employees are holier than employers.

Xorlev 4y ago
"Everyone". A vocal minority, perhaps.
guntherhermann 4y ago
Seeing a few posts on HN or blogs about "quiet quitting" (which appears to be doing exactly what is required of you, no more, no less... a misnomer then.), and "ghosting" employers... is not even comparable to the 50,000+ layoffs that have happened across tech companies in the past few weeks. > So let's quit pretending employees are holier than employers. I haven't seen anyone stating this, or even implying it. I do see employees (people) as more worthy of sympathy than corporations.
activitypea 4y ago
"People and multi billion dollar-generating corporations are the same to me"
acdha 4y ago
“Quiet quitting” was corporate spin shopped around to gullible journalists. The behavior described was employees doing what they were paid to do but not giving the company freebies. This is important to understand because it relates to why there are layoffs now: the managerial class hates when normal workers have negotiating clout. Layoffs remove that clout by cooling the job market and making existing employees afraid to leave or ask for market rate pay. This is important for most HN readers to understand: there’s been a long tech boom where we’ve had above average pay & benefits due to demand. This has lead a lot of us to think we’re part of the upper crust at companies because we’re paid and treated better, and that this is the natural order of things. Few C-level managers agree but they’re definitely hoping we continue to believe it and don’t unionize.
- davidjfelix 4y ago
  Agreed. The quiet quitting pieces were the most obvious manufactured consent for layoffs that I've ever seen. They played right into the minds of a culture that thinks relaxation is a sin and your personal worth is measured by productivity.
MisterBastahrd 4y ago
I think it's funny that people believe that folks have stopped quiet quitting. They haven't. They won't. This is the world the wealthy have created for themselves. People who aren't allowed to have skin in the game shouldn't pretend like they do for the rich who build wealth off of their labor.

Xorlev 4y ago

"Everyone". A vocal minority, perhaps.

guntherhermann 4y ago

Seeing a few posts on HN or blogs about "quiet quitting" (which appears to be doing exactly what is required of you, no more, no less... a misnomer then.), and "ghosting" employers... is not even comparable to the 50,000+ layoffs that have happened across tech companies in the past few weeks. > So let's quit pretending employees are holier than employers. I haven't seen anyone stating this, or even implying it. I do see employees (people) as more worthy of sympathy than corporations.

activitypea 4y ago

"People and multi billion dollar-generating corporations are the same to me"

acdha 4y ago

“Quiet quitting” was corporate spin shopped around to gullible journalists. The behavior described was employees doing what they were paid to do but not giving the company freebies. This is important to understand because it relates to why there are layoffs now: the managerial class hates when normal workers have negotiating clout. Layoffs remove that clout by cooling the job market and making existing employees afraid to leave or ask for market rate pay. This is important for most HN readers to understand: there’s been a long tech boom where we’ve had above average pay & benefits due to demand. This has lead a lot of us to think we’re part of the upper crust at companies because we’re paid and treated better, and that this is the natural order of things. Few C-level managers agree but they’re definitely hoping we continue to believe it and don’t unionize.

davidjfelix 4y ago
Agreed. The quiet quitting pieces were the most obvious manufactured consent for layoffs that I've ever seen. They played right into the minds of a culture that thinks relaxation is a sin and your personal worth is measured by productivity.

MisterBastahrd 4y ago

I think it's funny that people believe that folks have stopped quiet quitting. They haven't. They won't. This is the world the wealthy have created for themselves. People who aren't allowed to have skin in the game shouldn't pretend like they do for the rich who build wealth off of their labor.