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I'm sorry for being rude here, but your understanding is obviously flawed. Even a cursory glance at the project would let you know that this wasn't the case. Th

I'm sorry for being rude here, but your understanding is obviously flawed. Even a cursory glance at the project would let you know that this wasn't the case. There are a bunch of obviously interesting ideas in Fuchsia that may or may not be useful in the long term, but describing it as being "simply about control" is just lazy as hell.

bayindirh 4y ago
Well, I don't think that you're rude, and you might be correct from your point of view. I completely respect your views. I concur that Fuchsia indeed has some interesting ideas. However, I see these interesting ideas as instruments to favor Google's long term vision about their devices, not for doing research in the name of research. Over the years, I have lost faith in Microsoft and Google. I see every action they take as a means to improve their dominance while (ab)using and EEEing technologies they like, but they can't control. I don't trust these companies and always start from a slightly negative, corporate-centric view of everything they put out there. This is something I do knowingly. This is not a bias which is blind-siding me. It's intentional and I'm aware. Having a kernel, complete with a Linux emulation layer, which is designed to enable seamless plumbing-rugpulls while having architectural decisions made to please hardware vendors doesn't look like simple research to me. Adding a MIT license on top of it, and saying "We might be running closed source, slightly modified versions of this that we don't share" adds more wieght to my view, in my eyes. So, also this is not Google's first rodeo. They are slowly close sourcing Android by moving things into Google Play services. Having a kernel and OS not encumbered by this "pesky" GPL stuff will allow them to have their private forks while playing "Hey, look, we're open source!" tune. It's VSCode of Google. Designed to fracture, touted as open source but useless without Google's own secret sauce and blessing. Merely a source-available showcase which is full of interesting ideas useful for its creator and useless without its touch. Oh, at least we see the code and get inspired by some of the ideas they put forward, if they are indeed portable. We hit Apple for their walls, but at least they contribute their kernel inventions back to BSDs (libdispatch, for example).

bayindirh 4y ago

Well, I don't think that you're rude, and you might be correct from your point of view. I completely respect your views. I concur that Fuchsia indeed has some interesting ideas. However, I see these interesting ideas as instruments to favor Google's long term vision about their devices, not for doing research in the name of research. Over the years, I have lost faith in Microsoft and Google. I see every action they take as a means to improve their dominance while (ab)using and EEEing technologies they like, but they can't control. I don't trust these companies and always start from a slightly negative, corporate-centric view of everything they put out there. This is something I do knowingly. This is not a bias which is blind-siding me. It's intentional and I'm aware. Having a kernel, complete with a Linux emulation layer, which is designed to enable seamless plumbing-rugpulls while having architectural decisions made to please hardware vendors doesn't look like simple research to me. Adding a MIT license on top of it, and saying "We might be running closed source, slightly modified versions of this that we don't share" adds more wieght to my view, in my eyes. So, also this is not Google's first rodeo. They are slowly close sourcing Android by moving things into Google Play services. Having a kernel and OS not encumbered by this "pesky" GPL stuff will allow them to have their private forks while playing "Hey, look, we're open source!" tune. It's VSCode of Google. Designed to fracture, touted as open source but useless without Google's own secret sauce and blessing. Merely a source-available showcase which is full of interesting ideas useful for its creator and useless without its touch. Oh, at least we see the code and get inspired by some of the ideas they put forward, if they are indeed portable. We hit Apple for their walls, but at least they contribute their kernel inventions back to BSDs (libdispatch, for example).