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> Would they get it if the other top engineers and I all downed tools or walked out as a group? No Why not try that? Or use it as leverage? If you believe this

by jerrre 4y ago

> Would they get it if the other top engineers and I all downed tools or walked out as a group? No Why not try that? Or use it as leverage? If you believe this.

Zvez 4y ago
The (not so) fun fact here is that majority of IT workers won't do this. While exec might want their mansions, we want our latte and iphones. I work at a company which recently had big chunk of layoffs and I can clearly see how a lot of people are just relieved that they were not laid off. Yes, there are talks how everyone is outrageous, they are mostly kitchen talks. The company literally fired thousands of people with a single email and now we back to corptalk about family and values. So I don't see any major changes in unification of IT workers.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
  That is seriously rough. Times change I guess. Last time me and my buddies from office survived layoffs, we kept a list going of who is where to see if we can help one another get through the rough patch. In the end, it did not matter since the company closed its doors, but the list remained so the underground railroad continued its existence. I actually got my previous job thanks to it.
- pjc50 4y ago
  I think, and this will not be well received, that US tech workers actually know they are paid extremely well compared to the rest of the working population, and that they don't have the right social skills and connections to get into the even more inner exec circle (which is also limited in number), and therefore although it's not as good as it was it's still better than 95% of the population.
Shish2k 4y ago
Because it seems like a majority of engineers believe themseles to be above-average, and believe that any kind of collective action would reduce all engineering pay to the lowest common denominator. Additionally in the USA there seems to be a strong belief that union leaders only care about themselves while the company execs have the worker’s best interests at heart. (I’m not sure where any of these ideas come from)
- politician 4y ago
  > I’m not sure where any of these ideas come from. Is this sarcasm? I can't tell. If it's not sarcasm, here's some articles about the Teamsters union. - https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-hoffa https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-hoffa - https://themobmuseum.org/blog/feds-agree-to-reduce-oversight-of-once-mob-corrupted-teamsters-union/ https://themobmuseum.org/blog/feds-agree-to-reduce-oversight... - https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-10-28-8503130785-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-10-28-850313...

by jerrre 4y ago

> Would they get it if the other top engineers and I all downed tools or walked out as a group? No Why not try that? Or use it as leverage? If you believe this.

Zvez 4y ago

The (not so) fun fact here is that majority of IT workers won't do this. While exec might want their mansions, we want our latte and iphones. I work at a company which recently had big chunk of layoffs and I can clearly see how a lot of people are just relieved that they were not laid off. Yes, there are talks how everyone is outrageous, they are mostly kitchen talks. The company literally fired thousands of people with a single email and now we back to corptalk about family and values. So I don't see any major changes in unification of IT workers.

A4ET8a8uTh0 4y ago
That is seriously rough. Times change I guess. Last time me and my buddies from office survived layoffs, we kept a list going of who is where to see if we can help one another get through the rough patch. In the end, it did not matter since the company closed its doors, but the list remained so the underground railroad continued its existence. I actually got my previous job thanks to it.
pjc50 4y ago
I think, and this will not be well received, that US tech workers actually know they are paid extremely well compared to the rest of the working population, and that they don't have the right social skills and connections to get into the even more inner exec circle (which is also limited in number), and therefore although it's not as good as it was it's still better than 95% of the population.

Shish2k 4y ago

Because it seems like a majority of engineers believe themseles to be above-average, and believe that any kind of collective action would reduce all engineering pay to the lowest common denominator. Additionally in the USA there seems to be a strong belief that union leaders only care about themselves while the company execs have the worker’s best interests at heart. (I’m not sure where any of these ideas come from)

politician 4y ago
> I’m not sure where any of these ideas come from. Is this sarcasm? I can't tell. If it's not sarcasm, here's some articles about the Teamsters union. - https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-hoffa https://allthatsinteresting.com/jimmy-hoffa - https://themobmuseum.org/blog/feds-agree-to-reduce-oversight-of-once-mob-corrupted-teamsters-union/ https://themobmuseum.org/blog/feds-agree-to-reduce-oversight... - https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-10-28-8503130785-story.html https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-10-28-850313...