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> Why are clients being sent that extra data in the first place? Because FPS games don't run in lockstep. They run in server ticks, which the client interpolat

> Why are clients being sent that extra data in the first place? Because FPS games don't run in lockstep. They run in server ticks, which the client interpolates or even extrapolates with prediction for smoothness. This means the server has to send player positions a bit earlier than they would be visible via strict occlusion culling. If you tried to run FPS in lockstep it's atrocious. This is literally why John Carmack originally implemented client side prediction for QuakeWorld. Do you think he was just too stupid to do the obvious simple correct thing? Or maybe the problem is actually a bit more complicated? Again, hnews is anchoring on aimbots when that's by far the least interesting way to cheat.

autoexec 4y ago
> Do you think he was just too stupid to do the obvious simple correct thing? Or maybe the problem is actually a bit more complicated? No, but both hardware and software have changed dramatically since the 1990s. We even have cloud gaming services that run games remotely with very little being done on local hardware. They do currently over-promise when it comes to performance, but it's not unthinkable that we're at (or soon will be at) a point where games don't have to depend as much on the random PC at the player's end of the connection even though that's the way things have always been done.
- stefncb 4y ago
  Latency is still relatively high in LOTS of areas around the world. Not high enough to make online FPS games unplayable, but high enough to make sending packets in lockstep unplayable. Discriminating against those people wouldn't be fair (especially since they're not a particularly small minority).
  - jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
    It's even worse than that. Corner peeking is absolutely key in FPS games, and a laggy player can actually gain an advantage if there's pop in or rubber banding artifacts. It's like they teleport around the corner.

autoexec 4y ago

> Do you think he was just too stupid to do the obvious simple correct thing? Or maybe the problem is actually a bit more complicated? No, but both hardware and software have changed dramatically since the 1990s. We even have cloud gaming services that run games remotely with very little being done on local hardware. They do currently over-promise when it comes to performance, but it's not unthinkable that we're at (or soon will be at) a point where games don't have to depend as much on the random PC at the player's end of the connection even though that's the way things have always been done.

stefncb 4y ago
Latency is still relatively high in LOTS of areas around the world. Not high enough to make online FPS games unplayable, but high enough to make sending packets in lockstep unplayable. Discriminating against those people wouldn't be fair (especially since they're not a particularly small minority).
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  It's even worse than that. Corner peeking is absolutely key in FPS games, and a laggy player can actually gain an advantage if there's pop in or rubber banding artifacts. It's like they teleport around the corner.