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>"Traditional" medicines are "medicines" when they get through a set of actual medical clinical trials, after which they are called "medicine". To be fair, Tyl

by tsol 4y ago

>"Traditional" medicines are "medicines" when they get through a set of actual medical clinical trials, after which they are called "medicine". To be fair, Tylenol almost certainly wouldn't pass clinical trials today. Selling a drug OTC that so easily causes organ(liver) damage? Ridiculous. So would most NSAIDS-- as those cause stomach bleeding even in regular clinical doses. That also would imply that companies had an interest in testing natural treatments that may not sell well

culi 4y ago
In addition most traditional medicine is centered around use of whole herbs. Lots of times there's complex processing that goes into it, but it's still something you can often just... grow. Clinical trials are extremely expensive and with the incentive system we have right now it'd make 0 sense for a company to invest in proving that something you can grow in your backyard can help treat something The WHO on the other hand has been investing heavily in traditional and complementary medicine (T&CM) in developing countries as they offer "care that is close to homes, accessible and affordable. It is also culturally acceptable and trusted by large numbers of people". Interestingly, the use and research into traditional medicine is actually increasing worldwide. The US seems to be pretty unique, even compared to developed nations, in how little it values TM. The WHO report linked below points out that 100 million Europeans, 76% of Singapore, and 86% of South Koreans commonly use TM. It also points out interesting research like: > Another recent study indicates that patients whose general practitioner has additional complementary and alternative medicine training have lower health care costs and mortality rates than those who do not. Reduced costs were the outcome of fewer hospital stays and fewer prescription drugs (31) Interestingly, they differentiate TM from CM. TM being a country's actual traditional medicine system and the knowledge passed down across many generations (e.g. Unani, Ayurveda, TCM, etc) and CM being more like "alternative medicine" that is not part of a country's traditional system (anthroposophic medicine, chiropractic, homeopathy, naturopathy, osteopathy, etc; think your aunt trying to sell you essential oils) https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789241506096 https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789241506096
- bratwurst3000 4y ago
  I think people who do more for their health are generally healthier. Whatever medicine whoever is using at the end the best way to stay healthy is exercise, good clean living conditions and a healthy diet. No need for medicine unless you are ill
- elefanten 4y ago
  This is not meant to be a flippant or politically-charged question… but why do you trust the WHO after their massive debacle rubberstamping China’s initial lies about COVID and legitimizing them by sending a dog and pony show to “investigate”?
  - nightfly 4y ago
    Nearly everyone fucked up on COVID. Every side and opinion in hindsight was at least partially wrong.
polskibus 4y ago
Can you provide some references regarding the bleeding in normal doses? Honestly curious whats safer than ibuprofenum these days.
rootusrootus 4y ago
> Tylenol almost certainly wouldn't pass clinical trials today. I've heard that said before. Is it really true? I'd like to think we'd pull it off the shelves if it were really that bad. Looks like about 250 people are killed per year from overdose (accidents only, not suicides). NSAIDs cause quite a lot more deaths than that, but it's possible they're used more heavily than acetaminophen, I'm not sure on the usage stats.

by tsol 4y ago

culi 4y ago

In addition most traditional medicine is centered around use of whole herbs. Lots of times there's complex processing that goes into it, but it's still something you can often just... grow. Clinical trials are extremely expensive and with the incentive system we have right now it'd make 0 sense for a company to invest in proving that something you can grow in your backyard can help treat something The WHO on the other hand has been investing heavily in traditional and complementary medicine (T&CM) in developing countries as they offer "care that is close to homes, accessible and affordable. It is also culturally acceptable and trusted by large numbers of people". Interestingly, the use and research into traditional medicine is actually increasing worldwide. The US seems to be pretty unique, even compared to developed nations, in how little it values TM. The WHO report linked below points out that 100 million Europeans, 76% of Singapore, and 86% of South Koreans commonly use TM. It also points out interesting research like: > Another recent study indicates that patients whose general practitioner has additional complementary and alternative medicine training have lower health care costs and mortality rates than those who do not. Reduced costs were the outcome of fewer hospital stays and fewer prescription drugs (31) Interestingly, they differentiate TM from CM. TM being a country's actual traditional medicine system and the knowledge passed down across many generations (e.g. Unani, Ayurveda, TCM, etc) and CM being more like "alternative medicine" that is not part of a country's traditional system (anthroposophic medicine, chiropractic, homeopathy, naturopathy, osteopathy, etc; think your aunt trying to sell you essential oils) https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789241506096 https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/9789241506096

bratwurst3000 4y ago
I think people who do more for their health are generally healthier. Whatever medicine whoever is using at the end the best way to stay healthy is exercise, good clean living conditions and a healthy diet. No need for medicine unless you are ill
elefanten 4y ago
This is not meant to be a flippant or politically-charged question… but why do you trust the WHO after their massive debacle rubberstamping China’s initial lies about COVID and legitimizing them by sending a dog and pony show to “investigate”?
- nightfly 4y ago
  Nearly everyone fucked up on COVID. Every side and opinion in hindsight was at least partially wrong.

polskibus 4y ago

Can you provide some references regarding the bleeding in normal doses? Honestly curious whats safer than ibuprofenum these days.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> Tylenol almost certainly wouldn't pass clinical trials today. I've heard that said before. Is it really true? I'd like to think we'd pull it off the shelves if it were really that bad. Looks like about 250 people are killed per year from overdose (accidents only, not suicides). NSAIDs cause quite a lot more deaths than that, but it's possible they're used more heavily than acetaminophen, I'm not sure on the usage stats.