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Ha! I just retired my Mom's 5S and got her an S22 for Christmas. And a pre-paid plan too the phone company was consonantly sending texts suggesting she change t

Ha! I just retired my Mom's 5S and got her an S22 for Christmas. And a pre-paid plan too the phone company was consonantly sending texts suggesting she change to monthly. That thing was a tank it was OK until about a year ago then the battery got noticeably worse. Not bad for someone who always let it die all the time always charge only when 0%. She almost always used it just for voice calls a few texts no web (no data plan). No OS updates for a while too. So it was risky I thought to keep it going. Android is much easier to deal with. Although the ringtones and notifications are all different she has to now learn after almost 10 years of iPhone to new sounds by Samsung.

loeg 4y ago
Are you looking forward to Android’s lack of security updates in, say, 18 months?
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  Samsung promises updates to the S22 for five years after introduction (which means until February 2027 assuming we're talking about the standard version introduced in the beginning of 2022 and not a later model).
  - katbyte 4y ago
    That’s still half of what the iPhone 5s got…
    - selcuka 4y ago
      That's Samsung's "promise". Similarly Apple promises to provide 6 years of security updates. This update is an exception.
      - loeg 4y ago
        The relevant question isn't what Samsung has promised, but what they will actually deliver. I think we should be pretty skeptical of that promise based on Android's track record.
        Jaecen 4y ago
        Samsung announced that their mainline phones and tablets from 2019 onwards would receive at least four years of security updates. We are now entering the fifth year of the life for the oldest of those devices, so we can already see what they actually delivered. No need to cast aspersions.
        trompetenaccoun 4y ago
        So they only need another 5+ years to catch up? I doubt we'll actually see that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fanboy and immensely dislike how iOS users are restricted in other ways, but updates and longevity are unparalleled in the smartphone world.
        piyush_soni 4y ago
        You are saying it as 10 years of updates is a norm with Apple phones, but it's not. If you read the article, it says that they believe their security issue might have been 'actively exploited'. Companies do release security updates in these exceptional cases to old phones. They don't give a 10 years 'guarantee', yet.
        trompetenaccoun 4y ago
        The Android phones I had so far never got anything beyond 3 or 4 years. I have an Apple 7plus that's turning 7 this year and pretty sure that won't be the end of it. It still gets regular security updates. As in every other week.
        piyush_soni 4y ago
      - captn3m0 4y ago
        Does Apple state this 6 year policy somewhere? I maintain endoflife.date and it’s quite hard to find any primary sources for what Apple actually guarantees as support
      - daveoc64 4y ago
        Apple makes no promise of support for any of its products and never has. I would much rather use an Android device from a manufacturer or a desktop OS from Microsoft that is actually up front about their support lifecycle, than go with Apple that does not publish this at all. Some Apple devices have had much longer support lifecycles than others, and I don't think that's OK given how expensive their devices are. An iPhone 6 was supported through 5 major iOS versions (including the version it was shipped with). An iPhone 6S released a year later was supported for 7 major iOS versions. An iPhone 7 released a year later again was only supported for 6 major iOS versions. This wasn't documented anywhere when people bought those devices. Security updates for older iOS devices and macOS versions are sporadic and often incomplete.
    - rtpg 4y ago
      Let's not give Apple too much credit here. There's some documentation out there about how older iOS machines don't get _all_ the security fixes. I think they get fixes for the biggest issues that get uncovered, but it seems pretty piecemeal. Definitely better than most Android operators though, at least that's my impression.
    - prmoustache 4y ago
      Well in the case of samsung flagship models, there is such a large userbase that you can be quite sure there will be some lineageos or /e/ supported firmware available for a long time. I own an old Samsung Galaxy S4 mini as a "backup phone" running on /e/. It was released in 2013 I think. Are there new non official firmware / linux distros available for old iphones ?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  Supposedly they're planned to get 5 years of security patches: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-sets-the-new-standard-with-four-generations-of-os-upgrades-to-ensure-the-most-up-to-date-and-more-secure-galaxy-experience https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-sets-the-new-standar...
  - 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
    Have any of these Android “service level agreements” ever eventuated? It’s not the first time Android was supposed to get updates for more than 18 months.
    - Jaecen 4y ago
      Google has been reliably delivering OS and security updates for the promised timeframes on their Pixel phones. I've run a few different models out to the end of their promised support window and updates were timely for the duration.
    - goosedragons 4y ago
      My Galaxy A51 just got Android 13 and the corresponding security update for January and this was a mid-range Android phone first released over 3 years ago. It's supposed to get more security updates after this although no more full Android versions (not like I can really tell anyways). So yeah, there are Android phones with more than 18 months support.
- crossroadsguy 4y ago
  Since it’s Samsung it might as well be less than that.
barbs 4y ago
Have you tried putting the iPhone sounds on the Samsung phone?
- dghughes 4y ago
  That's my plan but I haven't tried yet. I have changed the notifications to different ones. I wasn't aware that was possible anymore on new Android phones. The newer Samsung phones get the less configuration user's have it seems.

loeg 4y ago

Are you looking forward to Android’s lack of security updates in, say, 18 months?

jeroenhd 4y ago
Samsung promises updates to the S22 for five years after introduction (which means until February 2027 assuming we're talking about the standard version introduced in the beginning of 2022 and not a later model).
- katbyte 4y ago
  That’s still half of what the iPhone 5s got…
  - selcuka 4y ago
    That's Samsung's "promise". Similarly Apple promises to provide 6 years of security updates. This update is an exception.
    - loeg 4y ago
      The relevant question isn't what Samsung has promised, but what they will actually deliver. I think we should be pretty skeptical of that promise based on Android's track record.
      - Jaecen 4y ago
        Samsung announced that their mainline phones and tablets from 2019 onwards would receive at least four years of security updates. We are now entering the fifth year of the life for the oldest of those devices, so we can already see what they actually delivered. No need to cast aspersions.
        trompetenaccoun 4y ago
        So they only need another 5+ years to catch up? I doubt we'll actually see that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fanboy and immensely dislike how iOS users are restricted in other ways, but updates and longevity are unparalleled in the smartphone world.
        piyush_soni 4y ago
        You are saying it as 10 years of updates is a norm with Apple phones, but it's not. If you read the article, it says that they believe their security issue might have been 'actively exploited'. Companies do release security updates in these exceptional cases to old phones. They don't give a 10 years 'guarantee', yet.
        trompetenaccoun 4y ago
        The Android phones I had so far never got anything beyond 3 or 4 years. I have an Apple 7plus that's turning 7 this year and pretty sure that won't be the end of it. It still gets regular security updates. As in every other week.
        piyush_soni 4y ago
    - captn3m0 4y ago
      Does Apple state this 6 year policy somewhere? I maintain endoflife.date and it’s quite hard to find any primary sources for what Apple actually guarantees as support
    - daveoc64 4y ago
      Apple makes no promise of support for any of its products and never has. I would much rather use an Android device from a manufacturer or a desktop OS from Microsoft that is actually up front about their support lifecycle, than go with Apple that does not publish this at all. Some Apple devices have had much longer support lifecycles than others, and I don't think that's OK given how expensive their devices are. An iPhone 6 was supported through 5 major iOS versions (including the version it was shipped with). An iPhone 6S released a year later was supported for 7 major iOS versions. An iPhone 7 released a year later again was only supported for 6 major iOS versions. This wasn't documented anywhere when people bought those devices. Security updates for older iOS devices and macOS versions are sporadic and often incomplete.
  - rtpg 4y ago
    Let's not give Apple too much credit here. There's some documentation out there about how older iOS machines don't get _all_ the security fixes. I think they get fixes for the biggest issues that get uncovered, but it seems pretty piecemeal. Definitely better than most Android operators though, at least that's my impression.
  - prmoustache 4y ago
    Well in the case of samsung flagship models, there is such a large userbase that you can be quite sure there will be some lineageos or /e/ supported firmware available for a long time. I own an old Samsung Galaxy S4 mini as a "backup phone" running on /e/. It was released in 2013 I think. Are there new non official firmware / linux distros available for old iphones ?
yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
Supposedly they're planned to get 5 years of security patches: https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-sets-the-new-standard-with-four-generations-of-os-upgrades-to-ensure-the-most-up-to-date-and-more-secure-galaxy-experience https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-sets-the-new-standar...
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  Have any of these Android “service level agreements” ever eventuated? It’s not the first time Android was supposed to get updates for more than 18 months.
  - Jaecen 4y ago
    Google has been reliably delivering OS and security updates for the promised timeframes on their Pixel phones. I've run a few different models out to the end of their promised support window and updates were timely for the duration.
  - goosedragons 4y ago
    My Galaxy A51 just got Android 13 and the corresponding security update for January and this was a mid-range Android phone first released over 3 years ago. It's supposed to get more security updates after this although no more full Android versions (not like I can really tell anyways). So yeah, there are Android phones with more than 18 months support.
crossroadsguy 4y ago
Since it’s Samsung it might as well be less than that.

barbs 4y ago

Have you tried putting the iPhone sounds on the Samsung phone?

dghughes 4y ago
That's my plan but I haven't tried yet. I have changed the notifications to different ones. I wasn't aware that was possible anymore on new Android phones. The newer Samsung phones get the less configuration user's have it seems.