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I think the problem is fetishisizing democracy when it's the least relevant philosophy here. Speaking of France in particular: Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Dem
by zugi 4y ago
I think the problem is fetishisizing democracy when it's the least relevant philosophy here. Speaking of France in particular: Liberté, égalité, fraternité. Democracy is nice after all of these things, but it doesn't even make the top 3.
The problem with the proposed laws is that they violate fundamental principles of liberty and equality, not that they're undemocratic.
- loup-vaillant 4y agoHere's my wager: the informed will of the people would never pass laws that violate fundamental properties of liberty and equality. Thus, any law that violates them is necessarily undemocratic, because it would go contrary to the informed will of the people. Emphasis on informed. I wouldn't trust a surprise referendum. I would trust a process where we first gather a congress of 300 randos, let them reflect on the issue for a few weeks or months, then let them explain their conclusions and decisions on national television for a couple weeks, and then do the referendum. I mean, if this process actually results in laws that violate the fundamental principles we might as well just give up and let the world burn.
- AnimalMuppet 4y agoWell... if it was 300 anonymous, sequestered randos, with access to objective information about the subject, that might work. 300 randos being bombarded with intense lobbying and biased information? That still might work out better than the legislature, but I would trust it considerably less than the sequestered randos.