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As people get more intelligent and smarter, the Ad business will die. I'm sure about it. In my whole life, there's no single ad that makes sense for me to see

As people get more intelligent and smarter, the Ad business will die. I'm sure about it. In my whole life, there's no single ad that makes sense for me to see and click, because it's annoying. I love smart search results, not smart ad results.

code_lettuce 4y ago
I wonder if the world is trending in this direction. If anything, the moat between the two is growing larger, highlighting the differences. Everyone in your bubble may seem to be growing and learning, but you're also the type who spends their off time browsing highly technical message boards.
- revskill 4y ago
  No, all of those kinds failed eventually. There's no successful ones as i see. And also the successful business as i know run no Ad campaign. You're just making assumptions.
idlewords 4y ago
There's a good HL Mencken quote about the likelihood of people getting collectively smarter: "No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. "
- revskill 4y ago
  That's why i said "as people get smarter", it's for the great mass of plain people.
- komali2 4y ago
  I feel quite strongly about this. Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). Therefore I believe that as our society reaches for further egalitarianism, this hierarchy of "intelligence" should flatten, imo towards people being more knowledgeable. Not like you need to take away people's Harvard PHDs to make sure every American has what they need to at least graduate highschool, or, you know, be able to read. I don't necessarily agree that greater education leads to greater invulnerability to ads and the modern poisons in our society: most of my friends are smarter than me by many measures, and yet as far as I know I'm the only one not at least mildly addicted to Instagram and co., despite all of us often having conversations where we all seem to agree that that shits bad for you. Nah it takes something other than knowledge / educational privilege, i don't know what specifically, but something else.
  - jongjong 4y ago
    It's worse than that. It's not about education anymore but pure credentialism. Did you study at MIT, Harvard or Yale? Did you work at FAANG? No? Then surely you must be an idiot. Nevermind all these difficult projects you worked on. Nevermind that your ex colleagues gave you glowing references. Nevermind all your open source projects. Nevermind that the project you led and worked on has never been hacked in 3 years in spite of having hundreds of millions of dollars at stake. It's all worthless because I don't see any fancy branding in your resume.
    - spritefs 4y ago
      > It's all worthless because I don't see any fancy branding in your resume. According to who exactly? Some stupid person somewhere? Why should anyone here care?
      - jongjong 4y ago
        According to people (especially HR people) who work at any large company... Or just about any company which has any money at all to hire people.
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  - spritefs 4y ago
    > Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). This is the claim: intelligence is just some combination of education, class, and race Let's state the obvious here: genetics. Why did you conveniently leave that one out? Are you in denial about (inherently) stupid people existing or something? Can you prove that they don't exist? Also, before you assume I'm being more specific: I'm not saying equal access to education is a wasted endeavor. Sure, make the public school system good in rich and poor areas But we're talking about intelligence in general here, so leaving genetics out is just avoiding the obvious because it isn't politically satisfying
meltyness 4y ago
You think the 12-15 course hours you took in OOP languages was some sort of purely academic pursuit? Marketers probably have a similar view, and lo and behold you're both looking through the same lens, namely, Google and The Current Forces Shaping The Ad Market. Advertising is a useful and symbiotic relationship, but may best be disintermediated... so to speak.
- revskill 4y ago
  An ad is useful to me as soon as they told both good and bad things about their products. But in reality , it's not. It's almost the same as lie, until you fall into the traps. Don't believe me ? Just try them until you find out bad things by yourself.
spritefs 4y ago
No clue why this is getting downvoted, maybe by people working in said business who are coping over this But really: why don't more people use ublock origin? It makes the web actually usable If I go on a website and see a bunch of sponsored bullshit, it makes me much less likely to ever go there again

code_lettuce 4y ago

I wonder if the world is trending in this direction. If anything, the moat between the two is growing larger, highlighting the differences. Everyone in your bubble may seem to be growing and learning, but you're also the type who spends their off time browsing highly technical message boards.

revskill 4y ago
No, all of those kinds failed eventually. There's no successful ones as i see. And also the successful business as i know run no Ad campaign. You're just making assumptions.

idlewords 4y ago

There's a good HL Mencken quote about the likelihood of people getting collectively smarter: "No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby. "

revskill 4y ago
That's why i said "as people get smarter", it's for the great mass of plain people.
komali2 4y ago
I feel quite strongly about this. Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). Therefore I believe that as our society reaches for further egalitarianism, this hierarchy of "intelligence" should flatten, imo towards people being more knowledgeable. Not like you need to take away people's Harvard PHDs to make sure every American has what they need to at least graduate highschool, or, you know, be able to read. I don't necessarily agree that greater education leads to greater invulnerability to ads and the modern poisons in our society: most of my friends are smarter than me by many measures, and yet as far as I know I'm the only one not at least mildly addicted to Instagram and co., despite all of us often having conversations where we all seem to agree that that shits bad for you. Nah it takes something other than knowledge / educational privilege, i don't know what specifically, but something else.
- jongjong 4y ago
  It's worse than that. It's not about education anymore but pure credentialism. Did you study at MIT, Harvard or Yale? Did you work at FAANG? No? Then surely you must be an idiot. Nevermind all these difficult projects you worked on. Nevermind that your ex colleagues gave you glowing references. Nevermind all your open source projects. Nevermind that the project you led and worked on has never been hacked in 3 years in spite of having hundreds of millions of dollars at stake. It's all worthless because I don't see any fancy branding in your resume.
  - spritefs 4y ago
    > It's all worthless because I don't see any fancy branding in your resume. According to who exactly? Some stupid person somewhere? Why should anyone here care?
    - jongjong 4y ago
      According to people (especially HR people) who work at any large company... Or just about any company which has any money at all to hire people.
- deleted 4y ago
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- spritefs 4y ago
  > Aligning society along a hierarchy of "intelligence" is really just aligning it on a hierarchy of access to education, which is just a function of economic class privilege (or racial class privilege really, these are tightly integrated even today in many societies for historical or otherwise reasons). This is the claim: intelligence is just some combination of education, class, and race Let's state the obvious here: genetics. Why did you conveniently leave that one out? Are you in denial about (inherently) stupid people existing or something? Can you prove that they don't exist? Also, before you assume I'm being more specific: I'm not saying equal access to education is a wasted endeavor. Sure, make the public school system good in rich and poor areas But we're talking about intelligence in general here, so leaving genetics out is just avoiding the obvious because it isn't politically satisfying

meltyness 4y ago

You think the 12-15 course hours you took in OOP languages was some sort of purely academic pursuit? Marketers probably have a similar view, and lo and behold you're both looking through the same lens, namely, Google and The Current Forces Shaping The Ad Market. Advertising is a useful and symbiotic relationship, but may best be disintermediated... so to speak.

revskill 4y ago
An ad is useful to me as soon as they told both good and bad things about their products. But in reality , it's not. It's almost the same as lie, until you fall into the traps. Don't believe me ? Just try them until you find out bad things by yourself.

spritefs 4y ago

No clue why this is getting downvoted, maybe by people working in said business who are coping over this But really: why don't more people use ublock origin? It makes the web actually usable If I go on a website and see a bunch of sponsored bullshit, it makes me much less likely to ever go there again