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The layoff didn't particularly target the rest-and-vesters, though. It frankly appears mostly random based on what I've seen.

ed25519FUUU 4y ago
How can you have any real opinion on it without knowing people’s comp level?
- fnfjfk 4y ago
  Levels are public at Google, unlike Meta, or Netflix that (formerly) did not have them at all.
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  - alasdair_ 4y ago
    > Levels are public at Google, unlike Meta, or Netflix that (formerly) did not have them at all. Well, yes, before they had levels, they did not have levels. I'm not sure this is much a a statement however - Meta has had levels for many, many years.
    - fnfjfk 4y ago
      Meta does not have public levels. Everyone’s title is Software Engineer, from IC3 to IC10. Some senior ICs do have a view into levels, since they are involved in performance reviews. At Google, you can see other people’s levels, and they have titles: “Senior”, “Staff”, and so on.
      - alasdair_ 4y ago
        When I was there, I knew peoples levels and we were encouraged to tell people “I’m a staff engineer working on foo” for interviews etc. Plus, almost everyone E5 and above posts their titles on linkedin.
dredmorbius 4y ago
That's an interesting observation and something I somewhat suspect myself. Google's long been criticised for byzantine and ineffective hiring and ranking processes. The thought occurs that perhaps management have decided that unbiased random staff reductions are the least-harmful way to go about this. The problem remains that under circumstances of layoffs, those with options to do so are still more likely to leave, resulting in a net negative selection against the most effective and productive workers. (Or at least those who can make a case for appearing to be same.) I'm not utterly convinced of the above, though it's a working hypothesis and will be interesting to see how it plays out over time.

ed25519FUUU 4y ago

How can you have any real opinion on it without knowing people’s comp level?

fnfjfk 4y ago
Levels are public at Google, unlike Meta, or Netflix that (formerly) did not have them at all.
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- alasdair_ 4y ago
  > Levels are public at Google, unlike Meta, or Netflix that (formerly) did not have them at all. Well, yes, before they had levels, they did not have levels. I'm not sure this is much a a statement however - Meta has had levels for many, many years.
  - fnfjfk 4y ago
    Meta does not have public levels. Everyone’s title is Software Engineer, from IC3 to IC10. Some senior ICs do have a view into levels, since they are involved in performance reviews. At Google, you can see other people’s levels, and they have titles: “Senior”, “Staff”, and so on.
    - alasdair_ 4y ago
      When I was there, I knew peoples levels and we were encouraged to tell people “I’m a staff engineer working on foo” for interviews etc. Plus, almost everyone E5 and above posts their titles on linkedin.

dredmorbius 4y ago

That's an interesting observation and something I somewhat suspect myself. Google's long been criticised for byzantine and ineffective hiring and ranking processes. The thought occurs that perhaps management have decided that unbiased random staff reductions are the least-harmful way to go about this. The problem remains that under circumstances of layoffs, those with options to do so are still more likely to leave, resulting in a net negative selection against the most effective and productive workers. (Or at least those who can make a case for appearing to be same.) I'm not utterly convinced of the above, though it's a working hypothesis and will be interesting to see how it plays out over time.