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This is the first US involved war ofmy lifetime with almost zero public debate over policy and universal support for escalation. Kind of concerning.

by jsz0 4y ago

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> universal support for escalation A commanding section of the House, alongside influential pundits like Tucker Carlson, are vocally against even present levels of support.
- superchroma 4y ago
  Why bring up pundits? I'm sure that for almost all prominent government choices over the last 30 years you can find an influential pundit who was critical of them at the time.
  - amalgamated_inc 4y ago
    > This is the first US involved war ofmy lifetime with almost zero public debate over policy and universal support for escalation. Kind of concerning. > zero public debate > pundits
smt88 4y ago
The most-watched "news" network, Fox News, frequently airs commentary that's critical of Ukraine itself and of US involvement. I remember the beginning of the War in Afghanistan, and it had far less debate and much more universal support.
hindsightbias 4y ago
Yemen much?
anigbrowl 4y ago
How old are you, for context? It seems inaccurate to me to say there has been zero public debate, but i's true that the war came along at a political moment when the US was already very polarized, so the sorting function of debate was minimal. If someone tends liberal, they already have a very low opinion of Vladimir Putin. Conservatives need no urging to criticize any decision of the Biden administration or anything that smacks of 'globalism.' As far as 'escalation' goes, moving a whole army over a border into another country by force is the most basic conflict scenario there is. Either one is OK with it, or thinks the aggressing party should remove its forces and receive a bill for the damage. The notion that the injured party should restrain its self-defense efforts or that the means of same should be withheld seems strange to me.
ecf 4y ago
It allows the military industrial complex to keep running without soldiers at risk.

This is the first US involved war ofmy lifetime with almost zero public debate over policy and universal support for escalation. Kind of concerning.

by jsz0 4y ago

This is the first US involved war ofmy lifetime with almost zero public debate over policy and universal support for escalation. Kind of concerning.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> universal support for escalation A commanding section of the House, alongside influential pundits like Tucker Carlson, are vocally against even present levels of support.

superchroma 4y ago
Why bring up pundits? I'm sure that for almost all prominent government choices over the last 30 years you can find an influential pundit who was critical of them at the time.
- amalgamated_inc 4y ago
  > This is the first US involved war ofmy lifetime with almost zero public debate over policy and universal support for escalation. Kind of concerning. > zero public debate > pundits

smt88 4y ago

The most-watched "news" network, Fox News, frequently airs commentary that's critical of Ukraine itself and of US involvement. I remember the beginning of the War in Afghanistan, and it had far less debate and much more universal support.

hindsightbias 4y ago

Yemen much?

anigbrowl 4y ago

How old are you, for context? It seems inaccurate to me to say there has been zero public debate, but i's true that the war came along at a political moment when the US was already very polarized, so the sorting function of debate was minimal. If someone tends liberal, they already have a very low opinion of Vladimir Putin. Conservatives need no urging to criticize any decision of the Biden administration or anything that smacks of 'globalism.' As far as 'escalation' goes, moving a whole army over a border into another country by force is the most basic conflict scenario there is. Either one is OK with it, or thinks the aggressing party should remove its forces and receive a bill for the damage. The notion that the injured party should restrain its self-defense efforts or that the means of same should be withheld seems strange to me.

ecf 4y ago

It allows the military industrial complex to keep running without soldiers at risk.