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Computers are a little different than specialised devices like… well, bombs & drugs let's say. Heard of the coming war on general computation? https://www.you

Computers are a little different than specialised devices like… well, bombs & drugs let's say. Heard of the coming war on general computation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Computation https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Coming_War_on_General_Com...

mrtksn 4y ago
People claim things all the time. It gets old quickly to claim that "they introduced DRM" kind of things as if those things were imposed from the top and didn't happen within the dynamics of the businesses.
- loup-vaillant 4y ago
  DRM is one thing. But the laws that forbid people from circumventing them? That forbid security researchers from even discussing vulnerabilities that could negatively impact millions of people? Those are imposed from the top. (They were lobbied from the dynamic of the businesses that wanted to enforce those DRMs, though.)
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    Nothing happened in vacuum. One thing is having people with interests pushing their agenda, another thing is seeing grand conspiracy where "They" strip our rights one by one.
    - loup-vaillant 4y ago
      Okay, I'm not sure we've heard the same guy… Cory Doctorow, science fiction author and advocate for, among many other things, a reduction in the scope and length of copyright laws? I never got an illuminati vibe from him. No grand conspiracy. Except maybe an unreasonably small number of people with an unreasonably large amount of money and influence having unsurprisingly converging interests that cause them to lobby for more or less the same things… Who's "they", in my mind? I would say the owning class. Capitalists. People who make money because they have money. People who own the means of production, either directly or through shares. Those have historically been quite a bit more sympathetic to Fascism than anything resembling Socialism. I believe they still are now. Why would they not, it's in their material interest to be. Remember what happened almost a century ago in Europe: both the far left and far right were rising. What did "they" the owner class chose? Fascism of course: Socialists and Communists would have disowned them, and they couldn't have that. And in France at the very least they were right: they were disowned after the war, though only partially.

mrtksn 4y ago

People claim things all the time. It gets old quickly to claim that "they introduced DRM" kind of things as if those things were imposed from the top and didn't happen within the dynamics of the businesses.

loup-vaillant 4y ago
DRM is one thing. But the laws that forbid people from circumventing them? That forbid security researchers from even discussing vulnerabilities that could negatively impact millions of people? Those are imposed from the top. (They were lobbied from the dynamic of the businesses that wanted to enforce those DRMs, though.)
- mrtksn 4y ago
  Nothing happened in vacuum. One thing is having people with interests pushing their agenda, another thing is seeing grand conspiracy where "They" strip our rights one by one.
  - loup-vaillant 4y ago
    Okay, I'm not sure we've heard the same guy… Cory Doctorow, science fiction author and advocate for, among many other things, a reduction in the scope and length of copyright laws? I never got an illuminati vibe from him. No grand conspiracy. Except maybe an unreasonably small number of people with an unreasonably large amount of money and influence having unsurprisingly converging interests that cause them to lobby for more or less the same things… Who's "they", in my mind? I would say the owning class. Capitalists. People who make money because they have money. People who own the means of production, either directly or through shares. Those have historically been quite a bit more sympathetic to Fascism than anything resembling Socialism. I believe they still are now. Why would they not, it's in their material interest to be. Remember what happened almost a century ago in Europe: both the far left and far right were rising. What did "they" the owner class chose? Fascism of course: Socialists and Communists would have disowned them, and they couldn't have that. And in France at the very least they were right: they were disowned after the war, though only partially.