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Dutch ISPs ordered to block access to The Pirate Bay

22 points by micheljansen 15y ago

micheljansen 15y ago
To clarify, BREIN (the Dutch RIAA) demanded that two major ISPs block access to The Pirate Bay and won the trial. It's not a nation wide thing like SOPA, but it is pretty serious.
- bulte-rs 15y ago
  Maybe not a national blockage; but Ziggo and XS4All have a large marketshare. If this order is extended to UPC (another provider) you could almost call it a nationwide blockage.
  - micheljansen 15y ago
    I did not mean to say it is not major. I just intended to clarify that this is an injunction against the companies, not a block at the national level as is the case with the Great Firewall of China and SOPA. This being an article written in Dutch and HN being in English :)
nextparadigms 15y ago
Is it a temporary injunction or a permanent block?
- hbrouwer 15y ago
  Permanent.
- Bootvis 15y ago
  According to tweakers.net: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=el&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Fnieuws%2F79288%2Fstichting-brein-ook-andere-isps-moeten-the-pirate-bay-blokkeren.html&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=el&js... The ISPs have 10 days to make it so and they can appeal to a higher court.
sssparkkk 15y ago
If this is really happening, it's going to be a slippery slope towards more blockades.
c1sc0 15y ago
This happened in my homecountry Belgium & in response depiraatbaai.be was created. I was just arguing in the SOPA thread that even if you're not from the US SOPA/PIPA still affects you. It's time to start fighting back people! I'm doing it in my own silly way: http://fr.anc.is/freedom.txt http://fr.anc.is/freedom.txt
- exDM69 15y ago
  The same also happened in Finland, and piraattilahti.fi was created. Subsequently that domain was amended to the court order to be blocked. After that the domain was set to point to local EFF's site, but it remains blocked. The court ordered also 3 IP addresses to be blocked, so it's not just a DNS block. In my opinion, IP blocking is way more serious than removing a few DNS entries.
exDM69 15y ago
I expect the trend of anti-piracy blocks to be on the rise for the next 5-10 years. In that time, it should become apparent to everyone that it's a futile practice and hopefully the internet will become more free. The alternative is that we will live in a totalitarian society and I certainly hope that won't happen. The internet was engineered to withstand a nuclear war, it's not going to be brought down by a few politicians and lobbyists.
Intermediate 15y ago
Maybe it's time to take I2P and TOR more seriously...
- wladimir 15y ago
  As long as you don't try to do the actual file sharing over them. Those networks are not fast enough for file sharing, and apart from that it's also very antisocial to run bittorrent over them (as it clogs up the pipes for other users). Just accessing sites and downloading .torrent descriptors is fine though...

22 points by micheljansen 15y ago

To clarify, BREIN (the Dutch RIAA) demanded that two major ISPs block access to The Pirate Bay and won the trial. It's not a nation wide thing like SOPA, but it is pretty serious.

bulte-rs 15y ago
Maybe not a national blockage; but Ziggo and XS4All have a large marketshare. If this order is extended to UPC (another provider) you could almost call it a nationwide blockage.
- micheljansen 15y ago
  I did not mean to say it is not major. I just intended to clarify that this is an injunction against the companies, not a block at the national level as is the case with the Great Firewall of China and SOPA. This being an article written in Dutch and HN being in English :)

nextparadigms 15y ago

Is it a temporary injunction or a permanent block?

hbrouwer 15y ago
Permanent.
Bootvis 15y ago
According to tweakers.net: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=el&js=n&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Fnieuws%2F79288%2Fstichting-brein-ook-andere-isps-moeten-the-pirate-bay-blokkeren.html&act=url http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=el&js... The ISPs have 10 days to make it so and they can appeal to a higher court.

sssparkkk 15y ago

If this is really happening, it's going to be a slippery slope towards more blockades.

c1sc0 15y ago

This happened in my homecountry Belgium & in response depiraatbaai.be was created. I was just arguing in the SOPA thread that even if you're not from the US SOPA/PIPA still affects you. It's time to start fighting back people! I'm doing it in my own silly way: http://fr.anc.is/freedom.txt http://fr.anc.is/freedom.txt

exDM69 15y ago
The same also happened in Finland, and piraattilahti.fi was created. Subsequently that domain was amended to the court order to be blocked. After that the domain was set to point to local EFF's site, but it remains blocked. The court ordered also 3 IP addresses to be blocked, so it's not just a DNS block. In my opinion, IP blocking is way more serious than removing a few DNS entries.

exDM69 15y ago

I expect the trend of anti-piracy blocks to be on the rise for the next 5-10 years. In that time, it should become apparent to everyone that it's a futile practice and hopefully the internet will become more free. The alternative is that we will live in a totalitarian society and I certainly hope that won't happen. The internet was engineered to withstand a nuclear war, it's not going to be brought down by a few politicians and lobbyists.

Intermediate 15y ago

Maybe it's time to take I2P and TOR more seriously...

wladimir 15y ago
As long as you don't try to do the actual file sharing over them. Those networks are not fast enough for file sharing, and apart from that it's also very antisocial to run bittorrent over them (as it clogs up the pipes for other users). Just accessing sites and downloading .torrent descriptors is fine though...