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Yes. I agree. > Make no mistake, MS and Xbox still hate us. I should point out that I was not suggesting there was a good relationship between console hackers

by jchw 4y ago

Yes. I agree. > Make no mistake, MS and Xbox still hate us. I should point out that I was not suggesting there was a good relationship between console hackers and Microsoft. Quote from me again: > respect towards the ingenuity of console hackers I did not say they had respect for the people, or that what they were doing was good, or anything like that. I'm claiming that from a security standpoint, they took the threat very seriously. Microsoft legally bullying people is bad, but it's nothing new from Microsoft. Hell, it's nothing new from the console industry either. I actually was not aware of Microsoft putting anyone in jail over the Xbox homebrew/modding scene, but it does not surprise me. I remember what happened with Sony and Geohotz. Still, from a sterile, technical point of view, I do think that in 2005 they were way, way ahead of keeping their console "secure" according to their threat model. I am never going to be particularly fond of a threat model where the adversary is the customer, but that's not really the point.

Jerrrry 4y ago
> I do think that in 2005 they were way, way ahead of keeping their console "secure" according to their threat model. I agree, see my other comment re: KV.bin They built the x360 with layers, upon layers, like an onion. Two exploits (JTAG and RGH), and a few forever-unspeakable social engineering incidents aside, they did great work. Until Mw2 came out in 2011.
fomine3 4y ago
Some Xbox hackers were arrested but it's fair. Some people stole hardware. This is interesting read. https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/ https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/
- fps-hero 4y ago
  An hour later, wow. That podcast is mesmerising. That’s absolutely incredible what they were up to. Thanks for the share, on to part two now.
  - Jerrrry 4y ago
    It's 95% accurate. The remaining 5% is to hide the identity of Person A. I would consider contributing to a third episode with a new generation of stories/correbance/trivia, but with the amount of contribution from the feds to correct the record, I feel it would be unwise.

by jchw 4y ago

Jerrrry 4y ago

> I do think that in 2005 they were way, way ahead of keeping their console "secure" according to their threat model. I agree, see my other comment re: KV.bin They built the x360 with layers, upon layers, like an onion. Two exploits (JTAG and RGH), and a few forever-unspeakable social engineering incidents aside, they did great work. Until Mw2 came out in 2011.

fomine3 4y ago

Some Xbox hackers were arrested but it's fair. Some people stole hardware. This is interesting read. https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/ https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/

fps-hero 4y ago
An hour later, wow. That podcast is mesmerising. That’s absolutely incredible what they were up to. Thanks for the share, on to part two now.
- Jerrrry 4y ago
  It's 95% accurate. The remaining 5% is to hide the identity of Person A. I would consider contributing to a third episode with a new generation of stories/correbance/trivia, but with the amount of contribution from the feds to correct the record, I feel it would be unwise.