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xbox hw/gaming: -13% This one is the most embarrassing of all, i wonder how different that would have been if they had a handheld instead of 2 console with 2 d

xbox hw/gaming: -13% This one is the most embarrassing of all, i wonder how different that would have been if they had a handheld instead of 2 console with 2 different performance profile, that seems redundant When you look at Nintendo, it's night and day the amount of console they are about to sell, more than both Sony/MS combined each quarter

kcb 4y ago
A pipeline of high quality, broad interest games is still something Xbox is lacking. It's taking quite a while for the Xbox Game Studios acquisitions to bear fruit.
- Kukumber 4y ago
  Hence a handheld would have served well for small hit games, including backward compatibility with XONE/360, it could have also been a catalyzer for their cloud/online services and a bridge with PC gaming (they own windows), Nintendo is profiting from it since most of their catalog (except for their 1st party) comes from PC ports That's exactly Valve's strategy with the Steam Deck, they are capitalizing on it, and it seems to be a good idea, that's unfortunate for xbox, maybe for the next gen
  - lapetitejort 4y ago
    The Steam Deck relieves so much pressure on Xbox and Sony. All they have to do is play nice with Proton and they are handheld ready. If the Deck fails, there's no hit to their bottom line. Sony has has fully embraced it with their push to PC.
    - giobox 4y ago
      This coupled with AMD's FSR 2/2.1 I'd argue. FSR can dramatically lower energy requirements while still maintaining acceptable image quality, and is critical for most of the Sony games to run at reasonable frame rates on the Deck.
krashidov 4y ago
Anecdotal but I used to be a die hard Xbox guy. After the 360 I got really lost on the naming scheme. I want to buy an Xbox but I have no idea which one is the latest. Is it the Xbox Series X One? Or the Xbox X Series X? no fucking clue I know, I can do like 5 minutes of research and find out. But I don't care THAT much. If I knew it was called an Xbox 5 I could use that time researching on just going to Amazon and buying it instead. Also, my friends have all gotten older and they're no longer on an Xbox and are using Nintendo switch/phones as their casual gaming device.
- NickC25 4y ago
  I'm right there with you - not many of my friends (we're in our young-mid 30s) game that much, and when they do it's pretty casual. I have an Xbox One and I have the game pass, but to be honest it's mainly for when my friends come over and we play FIFA, Madden, etc... - something pretty casual. I cannot for the life of me remember the last time I played a non-multiplayer game. Everyone who still likes gaming and is into playing with their SO, their kids, or relatives that I know plays on Switch, which to be fair is an awesome device.
  - foobarian 4y ago
    We're in the Switch boat with a 9-year old, and even though I sometimes look at my friends and their PS5s/latest Xboxes with envy it always comes down to the unsavory catalog of games. The violence/sex/other kinds of mature content is a big drawback to families like us (even if you don't buy those kinds of games, the visibility is still too high).
- TecoAndJix 4y ago
  Check out their surface device lineup. It is equally as confusing! Unified branding in Microsoft products seem to be an area they could improve on.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  For me it was the way they messed up the Indies, killing XBox Live Arcade, XNA, UWP,... The whole ID@XBOX is trying to recover from that.
NickC25 4y ago
I wonder if that accounts for the Activision purchase? If it's just purely revenue, yeah, that's ugly. Sad because I got the Xbox Game Pass maybe 3 months ago and while I rarely game, I've really enjoyed it - the fact that I can just hop on and play whatever I want in the cloud is really cool. The fact that it comes bundled with all EA games too is great. Will suck when they inevitably have to bump up prices, because right now it's the best value in gaming hands down.
- tdhoot 4y ago
  Activision purchase hasn't closed yet.
Aaronstotle 4y ago
They lose money on gamepads as well
etempleton 4y ago
The issue for Xbox is they need to push more subs to game pass, but they haven’t had the tent pole titles to support that consumer behavior. If they want subscribers they need 3-4 big games each year to come exclusively to game pass. They have struggled to release games and when they do release they are often in a less than stellar state.

kcb 4y ago

A pipeline of high quality, broad interest games is still something Xbox is lacking. It's taking quite a while for the Xbox Game Studios acquisitions to bear fruit.

Kukumber 4y ago
Hence a handheld would have served well for small hit games, including backward compatibility with XONE/360, it could have also been a catalyzer for their cloud/online services and a bridge with PC gaming (they own windows), Nintendo is profiting from it since most of their catalog (except for their 1st party) comes from PC ports That's exactly Valve's strategy with the Steam Deck, they are capitalizing on it, and it seems to be a good idea, that's unfortunate for xbox, maybe for the next gen
- lapetitejort 4y ago
  The Steam Deck relieves so much pressure on Xbox and Sony. All they have to do is play nice with Proton and they are handheld ready. If the Deck fails, there's no hit to their bottom line. Sony has has fully embraced it with their push to PC.
  - giobox 4y ago
    This coupled with AMD's FSR 2/2.1 I'd argue. FSR can dramatically lower energy requirements while still maintaining acceptable image quality, and is critical for most of the Sony games to run at reasonable frame rates on the Deck.

krashidov 4y ago

Anecdotal but I used to be a die hard Xbox guy. After the 360 I got really lost on the naming scheme. I want to buy an Xbox but I have no idea which one is the latest. Is it the Xbox Series X One? Or the Xbox X Series X? no fucking clue I know, I can do like 5 minutes of research and find out. But I don't care THAT much. If I knew it was called an Xbox 5 I could use that time researching on just going to Amazon and buying it instead. Also, my friends have all gotten older and they're no longer on an Xbox and are using Nintendo switch/phones as their casual gaming device.

NickC25 4y ago
I'm right there with you - not many of my friends (we're in our young-mid 30s) game that much, and when they do it's pretty casual. I have an Xbox One and I have the game pass, but to be honest it's mainly for when my friends come over and we play FIFA, Madden, etc... - something pretty casual. I cannot for the life of me remember the last time I played a non-multiplayer game. Everyone who still likes gaming and is into playing with their SO, their kids, or relatives that I know plays on Switch, which to be fair is an awesome device.
- foobarian 4y ago
  We're in the Switch boat with a 9-year old, and even though I sometimes look at my friends and their PS5s/latest Xboxes with envy it always comes down to the unsavory catalog of games. The violence/sex/other kinds of mature content is a big drawback to families like us (even if you don't buy those kinds of games, the visibility is still too high).
TecoAndJix 4y ago
Check out their surface device lineup. It is equally as confusing! Unified branding in Microsoft products seem to be an area they could improve on.
pjmlp 4y ago
For me it was the way they messed up the Indies, killing XBox Live Arcade, XNA, UWP,... The whole ID@XBOX is trying to recover from that.

NickC25 4y ago

I wonder if that accounts for the Activision purchase? If it's just purely revenue, yeah, that's ugly. Sad because I got the Xbox Game Pass maybe 3 months ago and while I rarely game, I've really enjoyed it - the fact that I can just hop on and play whatever I want in the cloud is really cool. The fact that it comes bundled with all EA games too is great. Will suck when they inevitably have to bump up prices, because right now it's the best value in gaming hands down.

tdhoot 4y ago
Activision purchase hasn't closed yet.

Aaronstotle 4y ago

They lose money on gamepads as well

etempleton 4y ago

The issue for Xbox is they need to push more subs to game pass, but they haven’t had the tent pole titles to support that consumer behavior. If they want subscribers they need 3-4 big games each year to come exclusively to game pass. They have struggled to release games and when they do release they are often in a less than stellar state.