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>their actions show a great deal of respect towards the ingenuity of console hackers, because if they didn't, they would've never bothered to do such an effort

>their actions show a great deal of respect towards the ingenuity of console hackers, because if they didn't, they would've never bothered to do such an effort thwarting them. dude. The irony. They bricked our machines and joked about it. They had a fellowship with the FBI. They (MS and EA) threw OP, the author of this fkn submission, in jail. Their own Terms of Service and Policy Enforcement page still brags about "pwning the pwnrs" - to this day. Make no mistake, MS and Xbox still hate us. It's just from a capitalist perspective, its hard to compete with losing PC audience. Their only selling point is itself, an unhackable console. They did have restraint. There is a list of console ID's hardcoded in every NAND because originally a few souls had reversed the NAND enough to RSA-sign CON files - they were just gonna ban everyone who had made modified content, but didnt... because of Halo3's File Share incidentally preserving personal RSA keys, making it difficult to reconcile modified content, once spread. Regarding hacked DVD drives....they did the math and banned millions when it was profitable, ironically.

jchw 4y ago
Yes. I agree. > Make no mistake, MS and Xbox still hate us. I should point out that I was not suggesting there was a good relationship between console hackers and Microsoft. Quote from me again: > respect towards the ingenuity of console hackers I did not say they had respect for the people, or that what they were doing was good, or anything like that. I'm claiming that from a security standpoint, they took the threat very seriously. Microsoft legally bullying people is bad, but it's nothing new from Microsoft. Hell, it's nothing new from the console industry either. I actually was not aware of Microsoft putting anyone in jail over the Xbox homebrew/modding scene, but it does not surprise me. I remember what happened with Sony and Geohotz. Still, from a sterile, technical point of view, I do think that in 2005 they were way, way ahead of keeping their console "secure" according to their threat model. I am never going to be particularly fond of a threat model where the adversary is the customer, but that's not really the point.
- Jerrrry 4y ago
  > I do think that in 2005 they were way, way ahead of keeping their console "secure" according to their threat model. I agree, see my other comment re: KV.bin They built the x360 with layers, upon layers, like an onion. Two exploits (JTAG and RGH), and a few forever-unspeakable social engineering incidents aside, they did great work. Until Mw2 came out in 2011.
- fomine3 4y ago
  Some Xbox hackers were arrested but it's fair. Some people stole hardware. This is interesting read. https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/ https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/
  - fps-hero 4y ago
    An hour later, wow. That podcast is mesmerising. That’s absolutely incredible what they were up to. Thanks for the share, on to part two now.
    - Jerrrry 4y ago
      It's 95% accurate. The remaining 5% is to hide the identity of Person A. I would consider contributing to a third episode with a new generation of stories/correbance/trivia, but with the amount of contribution from the feds to correct the record, I feel it would be unwise.
DangitBobby 4y ago
You have any more info on who this person is and what they were convicted of?
- AndriyKunitsyn 4y ago
  Probably the OP post is written by Eaton Zveare. https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/07/09/could-you-end-up-in-jail-for-cheating-at-a-video-game https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/07/09/could-you-end-up-in...
AndriyKunitsyn 4y ago
>They (MS and EA) threw OP, the author of this fkn submission, in jail. It's not like they got jailed because of MS's sheer spite to hackers - no, they made good money hacking MS consoles. Essentially, it's one capitalist against the other, and they had to be aware of the rules of the game.

jchw 4y ago

Yes. I agree. > Make no mistake, MS and Xbox still hate us. I should point out that I was not suggesting there was a good relationship between console hackers and Microsoft. Quote from me again: > respect towards the ingenuity of console hackers I did not say they had respect for the people, or that what they were doing was good, or anything like that. I'm claiming that from a security standpoint, they took the threat very seriously. Microsoft legally bullying people is bad, but it's nothing new from Microsoft. Hell, it's nothing new from the console industry either. I actually was not aware of Microsoft putting anyone in jail over the Xbox homebrew/modding scene, but it does not surprise me. I remember what happened with Sony and Geohotz. Still, from a sterile, technical point of view, I do think that in 2005 they were way, way ahead of keeping their console "secure" according to their threat model. I am never going to be particularly fond of a threat model where the adversary is the customer, but that's not really the point.

Jerrrry 4y ago
> I do think that in 2005 they were way, way ahead of keeping their console "secure" according to their threat model. I agree, see my other comment re: KV.bin They built the x360 with layers, upon layers, like an onion. Two exploits (JTAG and RGH), and a few forever-unspeakable social engineering incidents aside, they did great work. Until Mw2 came out in 2011.
fomine3 4y ago
Some Xbox hackers were arrested but it's fair. Some people stole hardware. This is interesting read. https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/ https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/45/
- fps-hero 4y ago
  An hour later, wow. That podcast is mesmerising. That’s absolutely incredible what they were up to. Thanks for the share, on to part two now.
  - Jerrrry 4y ago
    It's 95% accurate. The remaining 5% is to hide the identity of Person A. I would consider contributing to a third episode with a new generation of stories/correbance/trivia, but with the amount of contribution from the feds to correct the record, I feel it would be unwise.

DangitBobby 4y ago

You have any more info on who this person is and what they were convicted of?

AndriyKunitsyn 4y ago
Probably the OP post is written by Eaton Zveare. https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/07/09/could-you-end-up-in-jail-for-cheating-at-a-video-game https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/07/09/could-you-end-up-in...

AndriyKunitsyn 4y ago

>They (MS and EA) threw OP, the author of this fkn submission, in jail. It's not like they got jailed because of MS's sheer spite to hackers - no, they made good money hacking MS consoles. Essentially, it's one capitalist against the other, and they had to be aware of the rules of the game.