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If an establishment adds a 20% surcharge to a dining check, that's a tip, and generally considered to be on the higher end in the US. I would simply consider th

If an establishment adds a 20% surcharge to a dining check, that's a tip, and generally considered to be on the higher end in the US. I would simply consider them to have chosen my tip amount for me and leave it at that.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
> and generally considered to be on the higher end in the US. Maybe in 1998 but it's pretty much standard now.
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- jghn 4y ago
  In more cosmopolitan areas, 25% is the new 20%
  - dpkirchner 4y ago
    Before this thread goes much further I'd just like to point out that literally every argument for or against or indifferent regarding tipping has already been made on HN, including in this most recent thread starting yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34496438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34496438
- ApolloFortyNine 4y ago
  Tipping is bad enough culture as it is, but inflation on the percentage you pay in tip is just funny. Are we gonna be tipping 50% in 30 years? The only reason it's the norm is simply the suggested tip boxes generally have 18 as the lowest easy option now.
  - aezart 4y ago
    I ordered pizza online and tipped in advance, and then when I signed the receipt there was an "additional tip" field. Utterly baffling.
alistairSH 4y ago
The restaurant in the article claimed the 20% surcharge was NOT a tip. :shrug:
- 9WwFaLaTtBDaoS 4y ago
  When I see a delivery fee that's a % I assume it's a tip and don't tip myself. It's the same thing here. It's not my job to be fair to the employees. I'm generally a very fair tipper but if you put a % fee on my bill I consider it my tip. Most of the time it's less than I would have tipped regardless and I'm ok with that. I also typically won't go back if a restaurant does this because I fundamentally disagree with it for all except large parties of people.
- gorjusborg 4y ago
  I read that too and laughed. The whole argument behind tipping is that the servers don't get paid enough without it. I am all for restaurants paying a fair wage and benefits to their staff. I will not eat at a restaurant that tries to surcharge me for it. There is already a way to pass along costs to the customer: the posted price. There's definitely no way I am paying a tip and a surcharge.
- smileysteve 4y ago
  They can claim it, you can not pay it, express why, and sooner than later the restaurant will be unable to hire. It's harsh to the worker, but in a recent market of high employment and many companies unable to find staff, should you feel bad? (Today, there may be a restaurant literally across the street hiring)

giraffe_lady 4y ago

> and generally considered to be on the higher end in the US. Maybe in 1998 but it's pretty much standard now.

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jghn 4y ago
In more cosmopolitan areas, 25% is the new 20%
- dpkirchner 4y ago
  Before this thread goes much further I'd just like to point out that literally every argument for or against or indifferent regarding tipping has already been made on HN, including in this most recent thread starting yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34496438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34496438
ApolloFortyNine 4y ago
Tipping is bad enough culture as it is, but inflation on the percentage you pay in tip is just funny. Are we gonna be tipping 50% in 30 years? The only reason it's the norm is simply the suggested tip boxes generally have 18 as the lowest easy option now.
- aezart 4y ago
  I ordered pizza online and tipped in advance, and then when I signed the receipt there was an "additional tip" field. Utterly baffling.

alistairSH 4y ago

The restaurant in the article claimed the 20% surcharge was NOT a tip. :shrug:

9WwFaLaTtBDaoS 4y ago
When I see a delivery fee that's a % I assume it's a tip and don't tip myself. It's the same thing here. It's not my job to be fair to the employees. I'm generally a very fair tipper but if you put a % fee on my bill I consider it my tip. Most of the time it's less than I would have tipped regardless and I'm ok with that. I also typically won't go back if a restaurant does this because I fundamentally disagree with it for all except large parties of people.
gorjusborg 4y ago
I read that too and laughed. The whole argument behind tipping is that the servers don't get paid enough without it. I am all for restaurants paying a fair wage and benefits to their staff. I will not eat at a restaurant that tries to surcharge me for it. There is already a way to pass along costs to the customer: the posted price. There's definitely no way I am paying a tip and a surcharge.
smileysteve 4y ago
They can claim it, you can not pay it, express why, and sooner than later the restaurant will be unable to hire. It's harsh to the worker, but in a recent market of high employment and many companies unable to find staff, should you feel bad? (Today, there may be a restaurant literally across the street hiring)