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Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide. Not in Ohio, where it can vary by township, sometimes across invisible boundaries. I once attended a

Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide. Not in Ohio, where it can vary by township, sometimes across invisible boundaries. I once attended a large flea-market where such a boundary cut through the fairgrounds. Taxes were different on one side of the line than the other. It's so bad that Ohio actually has a mobile app that uses your phone's GPS to figure out which jurisdiction you're in and show the applicable tax rate. If I say mean things about Ohio from time to time, this is part of why.

barbazoo 4y ago
> I once attended a large flea-market where such a boundary cut through the fairgrounds. Taxes were different on one side of the line than the other. Does this matter though? Even if the tax is different from one stall to another, they could still publish a price that includes tax.
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- happymellon 4y ago
  They would still have to know which side of the grounds they are on to charge that tax anyway. It seems like poor excuses to me.
DeRock 4y ago
Same in California, it varies by county and city: https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/taxes-and-fees/rates.aspx https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/taxes-and-fees/rates.aspx Obnoxious to keep track of.
jldugger 4y ago
> Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide. Is it? Kansas[1] has the same setup: > Q:What is the sales tax rate in Kansas? > A: The state rate is 6.50%. However, various cities and counties in Kansas have an additional local sales tax. I feel like I've seen posts on HN in the past about how hard it is for online retailers to properly figure sales tax and should outsource the lookup to <insert startup here>. [1]: https://www.ksrevenue.gov/faqs-taxsales.html https://www.ksrevenue.gov/faqs-taxsales.html
lxgr 4y ago
It often even varies by item, or there are weird incentives/carve-outs for some products. For example, shoes are sales tax free in NYC (if they're less than $110). This can mean that the difference between a pair for $109 and one for $111 is close to $10. When grocery shopping, I'm always surprised which items are taxed and which are tax free. Other than most (but not all) produce and basics like pasta, bread etc. I'd consider staples usually being tax free, I haven't been able to detect any underlying at all so far.
- CydeWeys 4y ago
  It's not just shoes, it's all clothing. Any individual clothing item below a certain cutoff is tax-free.
rockinghigh 4y ago
Most restaurants and companies know which sales tax rate applies to you. They could include it in their prices.
- LadyCailin 4y ago
  They MUST. Otherwise, how do they know how much to charge you at the register?
ComputerGuru 4y ago
There are cities and counties with their own tax separate from the state sales tax in most states, if I’m not mistaken.
Dalewyn 4y ago
>It's so bad that Ohio actually has a mobile app that uses your phone's GPS to figure out which jurisdiction you're in and show the applicable tax rate. I'm curious how legally binding/legitimate that is, considering consumer-grade GPS can be fairly inaccurate at the best of times. My gut feeling is it's a "don't quote me on that" good will guesstimate, but some professional insight would be interesting.
jgeada 4y ago
They know how much to charge you at the till, therefore they know what price to put on the label. It is that simple. For webstores, require customer to disclose location so the right price can be computed; they have to do that when it comes to the billing page so it isn't novel work. Everything else is bullshit reasoning to get away with false pricing/false advertising.
- spoils19 4y ago
  Okay but what happens if the tax changes, do you really expect retailers to reprint their labels every few months?
  - dataflow 4y ago
    What do they do when the price of gas changes?
  - LadyCailin 4y ago
    Taxes change every few months? Anyways, yes, I expect them to reprint them if the price changes as well, which actually is liable to happen somewhat often. If you’re worried about paper waste, they make lcd labels too, which can be reprogrammed on the fly, so you can’t even make the “reprint” argument. It’s really and truly not an unsolved problem.
    - spoils19 4y ago
      That doesn't sound very economically conservative or environmentally friendly. I (and many other conservative HN readers) would probably not shop if stores were to do this.
      - happymellon 4y ago
        Completely agree. You should vote out all these idiots who try to change your tax rates every couple of months.
  - burnished 4y ago
CydeWeys 4y ago
> Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide I don't think this is true. Sure, the state tax is the same state wide, but the county and city taxes aren't! To pick a random state: https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/kansas/rates https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/kansas/rates
metaphor 4y ago
> Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide. Didn't quite pass my seasonally congested anecdotal sniff test. Turns out[1]: - 74% (37 states) vary depending on a local rate - 18% (9 states) are fixed at a state level - 8% (4 states) don't have sales tax > Not in Ohio, where it can vary by township, sometimes across invisible boundaries. Ohio isn't really exceptional in this regard; a few examples that come to mind: - San Francisco = 8.625% v. South San Francisco = 9.875% v. Oakland = 10.25% - Julington Creek Plantation (FL) = 7.5% v. Fruit Cove (FL) = 6.5% [1] https://www.sale-tax.com/ https://www.sale-tax.com/
- happycube 4y ago
  Note that South San Francisco is actually in a different county.
  - metaphor 4y ago
    Exactly why I cherry-picked that example; it's consistent with the parent's Ohio example in that most transients flying to SF via SFO don't even realize that they're technically in a different city/county. Similar situation with Julington Creek Plantation and Fruit Cove; both are technically in the same county (St. Johns County) and literally butt up against each other, and yet the former pays Jacksonville (Duval County) sales tax.
    - myself248 4y ago
      Wow, thank you, I had no idea it was that bad. I live in one of those magical 9 states where it's fixed at state-level and thought that was standard.
selimthegrim 4y ago
In Louisiana it also varies by parish and locality.

barbazoo 4y ago

> I once attended a large flea-market where such a boundary cut through the fairgrounds. Taxes were different on one side of the line than the other. Does this matter though? Even if the tax is different from one stall to another, they could still publish a price that includes tax.

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happymellon 4y ago
They would still have to know which side of the grounds they are on to charge that tax anyway. It seems like poor excuses to me.

DeRock 4y ago

Same in California, it varies by county and city: https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/taxes-and-fees/rates.aspx https://www.cdtfa.ca.gov/taxes-and-fees/rates.aspx Obnoxious to keep track of.

jldugger 4y ago

> Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide. Is it? Kansas[1] has the same setup: > Q:What is the sales tax rate in Kansas? > A: The state rate is 6.50%. However, various cities and counties in Kansas have an additional local sales tax. I feel like I've seen posts on HN in the past about how hard it is for online retailers to properly figure sales tax and should outsource the lookup to <insert startup here>. [1]: https://www.ksrevenue.gov/faqs-taxsales.html https://www.ksrevenue.gov/faqs-taxsales.html

lxgr 4y ago

It often even varies by item, or there are weird incentives/carve-outs for some products. For example, shoes are sales tax free in NYC (if they're less than $110). This can mean that the difference between a pair for $109 and one for $111 is close to $10. When grocery shopping, I'm always surprised which items are taxed and which are tax free. Other than most (but not all) produce and basics like pasta, bread etc. I'd consider staples usually being tax free, I haven't been able to detect any underlying at all so far.

CydeWeys 4y ago
It's not just shoes, it's all clothing. Any individual clothing item below a certain cutoff is tax-free.

rockinghigh 4y ago

Most restaurants and companies know which sales tax rate applies to you. They could include it in their prices.

LadyCailin 4y ago
They MUST. Otherwise, how do they know how much to charge you at the register?

ComputerGuru 4y ago

There are cities and counties with their own tax separate from the state sales tax in most states, if I’m not mistaken.

Dalewyn 4y ago

>It's so bad that Ohio actually has a mobile app that uses your phone's GPS to figure out which jurisdiction you're in and show the applicable tax rate. I'm curious how legally binding/legitimate that is, considering consumer-grade GPS can be fairly inaccurate at the best of times. My gut feeling is it's a "don't quote me on that" good will guesstimate, but some professional insight would be interesting.

jgeada 4y ago

They know how much to charge you at the till, therefore they know what price to put on the label. It is that simple. For webstores, require customer to disclose location so the right price can be computed; they have to do that when it comes to the billing page so it isn't novel work. Everything else is bullshit reasoning to get away with false pricing/false advertising.

spoils19 4y ago
Okay but what happens if the tax changes, do you really expect retailers to reprint their labels every few months?
- dataflow 4y ago
  What do they do when the price of gas changes?
- LadyCailin 4y ago
  Taxes change every few months? Anyways, yes, I expect them to reprint them if the price changes as well, which actually is liable to happen somewhat often. If you’re worried about paper waste, they make lcd labels too, which can be reprogrammed on the fly, so you can’t even make the “reprint” argument. It’s really and truly not an unsolved problem.
  - spoils19 4y ago
    That doesn't sound very economically conservative or environmentally friendly. I (and many other conservative HN readers) would probably not shop if stores were to do this.
    - happymellon 4y ago
      Completely agree. You should vote out all these idiots who try to change your tax rates every couple of months.
- burnished 4y ago

CydeWeys 4y ago

> Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide I don't think this is true. Sure, the state tax is the same state wide, but the county and city taxes aren't! To pick a random state: https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/kansas/rates https://www.salestaxhandbook.com/kansas/rates

metaphor 4y ago

> Most places in the US, the local tax is the same statewide. Didn't quite pass my seasonally congested anecdotal sniff test. Turns out[1]: - 74% (37 states) vary depending on a local rate - 18% (9 states) are fixed at a state level - 8% (4 states) don't have sales tax > Not in Ohio, where it can vary by township, sometimes across invisible boundaries. Ohio isn't really exceptional in this regard; a few examples that come to mind: - San Francisco = 8.625% v. South San Francisco = 9.875% v. Oakland = 10.25% - Julington Creek Plantation (FL) = 7.5% v. Fruit Cove (FL) = 6.5% [1] https://www.sale-tax.com/ https://www.sale-tax.com/

happycube 4y ago
Note that South San Francisco is actually in a different county.
- metaphor 4y ago
  Exactly why I cherry-picked that example; it's consistent with the parent's Ohio example in that most transients flying to SF via SFO don't even realize that they're technically in a different city/county. Similar situation with Julington Creek Plantation and Fruit Cove; both are technically in the same county (St. Johns County) and literally butt up against each other, and yet the former pays Jacksonville (Duval County) sales tax.
  - myself248 4y ago
    Wow, thank you, I had no idea it was that bad. I live in one of those magical 9 states where it's fixed at state-level and thought that was standard.

selimthegrim 4y ago

In Louisiana it also varies by parish and locality.