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Any update should be deliberate. Windows will now just update it self without asking over night. I often wake up, and see that my PC laptop has rebooted into Li

Any update should be deliberate. Windows will now just update it self without asking over night. I often wake up, and see that my PC laptop has rebooted into Linux since that’s at the top in the bootloader.

eatsyourtacos 4y ago
Eh I think that is honestly just not true with regards to Windows, sorry. There are like 1.5 billion computers running it. Them forcing updates is simply the best procedure because we live in a world full of complete asshats that want to create chaos and do malicious shit. The average person would never update their computers "deliberately" if that was the default. It's simply the lesser of all evils to ensure people are relatively up to date on security. I don't really like it either, but I understand it completely.
- alistairSH 4y ago
  There's a massive difference between a completely silent update and the more common "Update available, install now Y/N?" Apple, MS, etc should do the second. Even with a "do it now, or within 7 days, or we do it for you." Same for the router. For goods that have safety implications (cars), the updates should NEVER be silent. And probably need a long notification period with a detailed "What's New".
  - TylerE 4y ago
    What if it's a fix for an actively-exploited zero day?
    - alistairSH 4y ago
      Maybe give me a day? I absolutely don't want my laptop updating/rebooting while I'm in the middle of work. I understand the need to keep up to date for security reasons, but at some point, I just need my device to work without interruption.
    - 7speter 4y ago
      Have the press make noise about it. This has happened a few times with i devices and intel cpus. I shouldn’t have to fight my computer to stop it from upgrading itself to Windows 11
- domador 4y ago
  Maybe there is some justification for Microsoft's design decision, but two undesirable side effects are that: 1. It angers power users who want their computer to retain their workspace's context, which is often easily lost between reboots. 2. It reduces Windows' usefulness as an OS on which to set up and run long-term processes, especially ones with real-time sensitivity, since Windows may decide to reboot itself at some unpredictable point in the process.
  - deafpolygon 4y ago
    > It reduces Windows' usefulness as an OS on which to set up and run long-term processes I suspect they want to push you towards the server edition, because that's where they make their money.
- barking_biscuit 4y ago
  I honestly don't understand the downvotes here... Maybe it's because of the tone? But the message/content seems entirely accurate to me.
RajT88 4y ago
Not just that, I have observed that the more updates you have pending, the stranger the behavior of the OS. As if to incentivize you to reboot. There's no technical reason this is required - any system components will get updated after reboot, and this is not use Windows used to work. I am convinced it is intentionally introduced behavior, but proving it is difficult.
- LegitShady 4y ago
  i agree. if i experience unexpected behavior i will often check windows update
7speter 4y ago
Not at all recent, unless you mean the last 5 years (at least) being recent
- 2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
  Haha yes, I only got a recent windows license 2 years ago when I was forced to get a new machine. There was no, “I don’t want windows” option. So I got it and just dual boot.

eatsyourtacos 4y ago

Eh I think that is honestly just not true with regards to Windows, sorry. There are like 1.5 billion computers running it. Them forcing updates is simply the best procedure because we live in a world full of complete asshats that want to create chaos and do malicious shit. The average person would never update their computers "deliberately" if that was the default. It's simply the lesser of all evils to ensure people are relatively up to date on security. I don't really like it either, but I understand it completely.

alistairSH 4y ago
There's a massive difference between a completely silent update and the more common "Update available, install now Y/N?" Apple, MS, etc should do the second. Even with a "do it now, or within 7 days, or we do it for you." Same for the router. For goods that have safety implications (cars), the updates should NEVER be silent. And probably need a long notification period with a detailed "What's New".
- TylerE 4y ago
  What if it's a fix for an actively-exploited zero day?
  - alistairSH 4y ago
    Maybe give me a day? I absolutely don't want my laptop updating/rebooting while I'm in the middle of work. I understand the need to keep up to date for security reasons, but at some point, I just need my device to work without interruption.
  - 7speter 4y ago
    Have the press make noise about it. This has happened a few times with i devices and intel cpus. I shouldn’t have to fight my computer to stop it from upgrading itself to Windows 11
domador 4y ago
Maybe there is some justification for Microsoft's design decision, but two undesirable side effects are that: 1. It angers power users who want their computer to retain their workspace's context, which is often easily lost between reboots. 2. It reduces Windows' usefulness as an OS on which to set up and run long-term processes, especially ones with real-time sensitivity, since Windows may decide to reboot itself at some unpredictable point in the process.
- deafpolygon 4y ago
  > It reduces Windows' usefulness as an OS on which to set up and run long-term processes I suspect they want to push you towards the server edition, because that's where they make their money.
barking_biscuit 4y ago
I honestly don't understand the downvotes here... Maybe it's because of the tone? But the message/content seems entirely accurate to me.

RajT88 4y ago

Not just that, I have observed that the more updates you have pending, the stranger the behavior of the OS. As if to incentivize you to reboot. There's no technical reason this is required - any system components will get updated after reboot, and this is not use Windows used to work. I am convinced it is intentionally introduced behavior, but proving it is difficult.

LegitShady 4y ago
i agree. if i experience unexpected behavior i will often check windows update

7speter 4y ago

Not at all recent, unless you mean the last 5 years (at least) being recent

2muchcoffeeman 4y ago
Haha yes, I only got a recent windows license 2 years ago when I was forced to get a new machine. There was no, “I don’t want windows” option. So I got it and just dual boot.