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My new GE stove actually required me to connect it to wifi before I could use all the various modes it has. I bought it partly because it has an "air fryer" mod

My new GE stove actually required me to connect it to wifi before I could use all the various modes it has. I bought it partly because it has an "air fryer" mode but couldn't use it until it was connected. I did it long enough to turn on the features and then blocked its access to the internet in my router. Now even though it's connected to my local wifi, I can't use the things like having an alarm on my phone since it can't connect to the internet. Utter bullshit on every level. My favorite "feature" is that the phone app can turn on the light inside the oven. Which you can only see if you're standing right there, obviously.

mixmastamyk 4y ago
Return it, otherwise how will they know it's defective?
nullc 4y ago
> Now even though it's connected to my local wifi, I can't use the things like having an alarm on my phone since it can't connect to the internet. NAT is partially to thank for that. ... there is pretty much no normie user supportable way of having a device talk to your phone short of having them both phone home to some cloud server. They could support both direct connections for easy cases and expert users AND the cloud nonsense-- but then they'd have to implement their connectivity twice and they'll still end up with more support calls from users in the wrong mode.
- sophacles 4y ago
  > NAT is partially to thank for that. ... there is pretty much no normie user supportable way of having a device talk to your phone short of having them both phone home to some cloud server. isn't this what MDNS is for?
  - mhio 4y ago
    Yep, and zeroconf more generally.
  - nullc 4y ago
    Still doesn't solve the case that they are not on the same lan (as the phone silently switches to the telco network...).
m463 4y ago
I bought a treadmill that is the same. I called and they don't allow anything but "manual mode" unless you hook it to the internet. (let alone the ifit subscription they try to push on you)

mixmastamyk 4y ago

Return it, otherwise how will they know it's defective?

nullc 4y ago

> Now even though it's connected to my local wifi, I can't use the things like having an alarm on my phone since it can't connect to the internet. NAT is partially to thank for that. ... there is pretty much no normie user supportable way of having a device talk to your phone short of having them both phone home to some cloud server. They could support both direct connections for easy cases and expert users AND the cloud nonsense-- but then they'd have to implement their connectivity twice and they'll still end up with more support calls from users in the wrong mode.

sophacles 4y ago
> NAT is partially to thank for that. ... there is pretty much no normie user supportable way of having a device talk to your phone short of having them both phone home to some cloud server. isn't this what MDNS is for?
- mhio 4y ago
  Yep, and zeroconf more generally.
- nullc 4y ago
  Still doesn't solve the case that they are not on the same lan (as the phone silently switches to the telco network...).

m463 4y ago

I bought a treadmill that is the same. I called and they don't allow anything but "manual mode" unless you hook it to the internet. (let alone the ifit subscription they try to push on you)