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You are stating private jails don't control the government. You're right, the opposite is true: government officials control private jails, which means deliveri

You are stating private jails don't control the government. You're right, the opposite is true: government officials control private jails, which means delivering inmates and redirecting profits ... Last big scandal about large scale wrongful imprisonment - of children, no less - the people profiting from this were: 1) Directly profiting * the District Attorney * 2 judges * the director of ... of the Juvenile Probation Office * the brother of the District Attorney, who ran the prison 2) Involved, capable of stopping the abuse, not proven to have personally profited, yet they cooperated: * the district attorney * a supreme court lawyer * a supreme court justice personally * the whole Pennsylvania supreme court * the governor of Pennsylvania * Pennsylvania's Judicial Conduct Board * the FBI 3) the only parties the justice system considered guilty * the brother of the District Attorney, who ran the prison. Note: he's still in business. The SAME business. He was convicted for a small amount, because he lied about paying off judges. He, and his brother the district attorney, are of course completely innocent of plotting for a decade to wrongfully imprison children, for profit. The scheme continued for 7 YEARS after complaints about corruption were filed. The profit has not been paid back. * the lowest level judges https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal As always, we come to the same point as always: people claiming the government can be trusted, because of $reason. Separation of powers, because of the law, because ... You forget the government is a system made up of people. Guarantees, laws, contracts, achieve nothing the quality of people in government doesn't achieve. And we all know that quality is lacking somewhat. Also, this cannot be fixed by better laws, better such guarantees, any of that ...

gruez 4y ago
> You are stating private jails don't control the government. You're right, the opposite is true: government officials control private jails, which means delivering inmates and redirecting profits ... >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal This gets brought up all the time as evidence of something systemic, but the linked article only mentions two judges convicted. Is there any evidence this is widespread?
- candiodari 4y ago
  This scandal was widespread. A LOT of people could have put a stop to it, and all but 2 were government officials. A LOT of people were warned this was happening, and sometimes went so far as to abuse it (ie. schools would threaten kids). The district attorney apologized regularly to victims. But yeah, this sort of thing is widespread. https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-united-states-government-e68aaf2e4ead5c9bfb0659db46275405 https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-... https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-including-former-correctional-officer-sentenced-prison-corruption-scheme https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin... https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons/ https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons... https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-america-corruption-usa-news-latest-world-news-today-43504/ https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame... But all of the above is employees violating the law. Worse is the justice system itself abusing the law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder (the state has a duty to prosecute. This is NOT what lawmakers mean by that, yet nobody ever sees any consequences). More general this is an example of: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/pie2022_jail_churn.html https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/pie2022_jail_churn.html
  - gruez 4y ago
    >But yeah, this sort of thing is widespread. >https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice- https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-... >https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin... >https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons... >https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame... I agree that these are all examples of justice system employees abusing their positions, but the examples given are slightly short of the original claim of "delivering inmates and redirecting profits", which implies some sort of concerted effort to send more people to jail for the purpose of enriching oneself. That's present in the cash 4 kids scandal, but really present when a corrections employee is mistreating prisoners. I certainly don't think the people

gruez 4y ago

> You are stating private jails don't control the government. You're right, the opposite is true: government officials control private jails, which means delivering inmates and redirecting profits ... >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_for_cash_scandal This gets brought up all the time as evidence of something systemic, but the linked article only mentions two judges convicted. Is there any evidence this is widespread?

candiodari 4y ago
This scandal was widespread. A LOT of people could have put a stop to it, and all but 2 were government officials. A LOT of people were warned this was happening, and sometimes went so far as to abuse it (ie. schools would threaten kids). The district attorney apologized regularly to victims. But yeah, this sort of thing is widespread. https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-united-states-government-e68aaf2e4ead5c9bfb0659db46275405 https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-... https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-including-former-correctional-officer-sentenced-prison-corruption-scheme https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin... https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons/ https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons... https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-america-corruption-usa-news-latest-world-news-today-43504/ https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame... But all of the above is employees violating the law. Worse is the justice system itself abusing the law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalief_Browder (the state has a duty to prosecute. This is NOT what lawmakers mean by that, yet nobody ever sees any consequences). More general this is an example of: https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/pie2022_jail_churn.html https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/pie2022_jail_churn.html
- gruez 4y ago
  >But yeah, this sort of thing is widespread. >https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice- https://apnews.com/article/prisons-us-department-of-justice-... >https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin https://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/final-defendants-includin... >https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons https://scheerpost.com/2022/01/23/the-scandal-of-u-s-prisons... >https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame https://www.fairobserver.com/region/north_america/prison-ame... I agree that these are all examples of justice system employees abusing their positions, but the examples given are slightly short of the original claim of "delivering inmates and redirecting profits", which implies some sort of concerted effort to send more people to jail for the purpose of enriching oneself. That's present in the cash 4 kids scandal, but really present when a corrections employee is mistreating prisoners. I certainly don't think the people