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My first gut reaction was $115k/person/year was way too high... But apparently a person in a NYC prison costs $560k/year[1]...That amount of money can definitel

My first gut reaction was $115k/person/year was way too high... But apparently a person in a NYC prison costs $560k/year[1]...That amount of money can definitely do a lot of good to rehabilitate a person. However > we identified people likely to become criminals This tricky, because people will think it is GOOD to marked by the algorithm; key free money! Then these algorithm will likely be used in court as evidence that a person likely commit a crime. Sadly, this is already happening today [2] > you can have this as long as you don't do crime. So if you are convicted of a crime, in addition to all the stuff convictions currently do to prevent you from getting a job and beating any chance to better yourself besides crime, you also loose that UBI making you even MORE desperate than you were before. All you have done is increase the longer term punishment of prision. Not to mention it encourages first time convictions so the city can save money. There are many vindictive judges, who will say something like "You don't deserve the money the goverment is giving you." [1] https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/comptroller-stringer-cost-of-incarceration-per-person-in-new-york-city-skyrockets-to-all-time-high-2/ https://comptroller.nyc.gov/newsroom/comptroller-stringer-co... [2] https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/secret-algorithms-are-deciding-criminal-trials-and https://www.aclu.org/news/privacy-technology/secret-algorith...

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
So its a thought experiment and so this AI is very smart, like even better than Microsoft's Tay. And maybe it not just on the person's behavior but also family wealth, living location, history, convictions of family members, and so on. Lots of things that are hard to manipulate or would take generations to do so. If you are convicted of a crime even if you had this free money, then likely you are doing crime for fun and not out of necessity, so jail is the best place for you. Cities may actually decline to convict because jailing people is more expensive, so maybe this would be a counter-effect.
- georgyo 4y ago
  It is likely impossible for the AI to be that smart. You are talking almost about doing pre-crime. The AI could figure out you're going to murder someone before you even know yourself! But more seriously, even if the AI was super smart, it's still limited on it's inputs. The factors you listed are how the current crime AIs determine likely hood the person committed the crime. This AI is very smart and people trust it. If it says you committed the crime then you must have done it! > If you are convicted of a crime even if you had this free money, then likely you are doing crime for fun and not out of necessity, so jail is the best place for you. > Cities may actually decline to convict because jailing people is more expensive, so maybe this would be a counter-effect. These are exactly my points. Being marked by the AI gives you money, but people won't trust you. If you're on trail it's this big weight people want to hate you. The jury isn't likely getting the money, why should this person on trail get it. The judge has an incentive to incarcerate. Even as a thought experiment, this idea can not stand.
JamesBarney 4y ago
For anyone who is wondering why the prison costs 560k/year a big portion of that is the cost per inmate quadrupled due to a dropping prison populations.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago

So its a thought experiment and so this AI is very smart, like even better than Microsoft's Tay. And maybe it not just on the person's behavior but also family wealth, living location, history, convictions of family members, and so on. Lots of things that are hard to manipulate or would take generations to do so. If you are convicted of a crime even if you had this free money, then likely you are doing crime for fun and not out of necessity, so jail is the best place for you. Cities may actually decline to convict because jailing people is more expensive, so maybe this would be a counter-effect.

georgyo 4y ago
It is likely impossible for the AI to be that smart. You are talking almost about doing pre-crime. The AI could figure out you're going to murder someone before you even know yourself! But more seriously, even if the AI was super smart, it's still limited on it's inputs. The factors you listed are how the current crime AIs determine likely hood the person committed the crime. This AI is very smart and people trust it. If it says you committed the crime then you must have done it! > If you are convicted of a crime even if you had this free money, then likely you are doing crime for fun and not out of necessity, so jail is the best place for you. > Cities may actually decline to convict because jailing people is more expensive, so maybe this would be a counter-effect. These are exactly my points. Being marked by the AI gives you money, but people won't trust you. If you're on trail it's this big weight people want to hate you. The jury isn't likely getting the money, why should this person on trail get it. The judge has an incentive to incarcerate. Even as a thought experiment, this idea can not stand.

JamesBarney 4y ago

For anyone who is wondering why the prison costs 560k/year a big portion of that is the cost per inmate quadrupled due to a dropping prison populations.