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This isn't a liberal/conservative issue. This is a corporatism issue.

xxpor 4y ago
Agreed on the general point, but it's undeniable that corporatism has used conservative politics as the means to the end they desire. See also: every culture war, the fact that the only thing Republicans can agree on are court appointees and tax cuts.
- debacle 4y ago
  I don't think you understand the US political system in a nuanced or realistic fashion.
  - decremental 4y ago
    This could be an accurate auto-response to just about any comment on these types of threads.
  - xxpor 4y ago
    This is impossible to respond to without a point to argue against. IM-not-so-HO, I have fantastic understanding of the political system.
CobrastanJorji 4y ago
Right, and the current court is unusually pro-corporate: https://www.axios.com/2022/08/04/supreme-court-john-roberts-business https://www.axios.com/2022/08/04/supreme-court-john-roberts-.... And although it's not necessarily a liberal vs. conservative issue, it would be deceptive not to point out that this is entirely because of the Republican justices.
- EarlKing 4y ago
  The current court was preceded by a far less conservative court which did precisely dick about the problem for decades. Stop trying to frame this as a party issue when this is a class issue -- and the bourgeoisie controls both sides of the aisle.
  - CobrastanJorji 4y ago
    I linked to a summary of a UVA paper evaluating the SC decisions of the last century or so and graphing them as pro or anti-corporatist, which concluded that the current court is the most pro-business ever. You have handwaved that it maybe used to be this bad. If you have some sort of basis for your belief, I would be happy to consider it.
    - EarlKing 4y ago
      The basis of my belief is the undeniable fact that prior courts didn't do a damn thing about it despite decades of opportunities. This simply isn't a partisan issue, no matter how much certain petit bourgeoisie-aligned persons would like to frame it otherwise. This is entirely about the uniparty protecting its class interest in ensuring monopolies are not confronted -- unless they pissed off the wrong party member, of course.
      - CobrastanJorji 4y ago
        I would love to continue arguing, but alas, you say your point is undeniable, and thus, I cannot deny it. Curses, I am foiled by this one simple trick that policy debaters did not want you to know!
Spivak 4y ago
I think polarization on social issues has made people forget that the conservative position / the liberal position isn't always a world ending flamewar. Taking the position that market intervention isn't needed until consumer harm can be sufficiently demonstrated vs. market intervention is needed when any firm wields monopolistic power is a discussion about the role of government and what produces the best outcomes, not "look this side bad."
danaris 4y ago
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- cscurmudgeon 4y ago
  So which side do Republicans fall on Section 230? For large corps?
- olivermarks 4y ago
  Google is a global company with huge EU antitrust issues as well as the advertising monopoly dispute in the US which is more of a rival corporations issue than a political one. They are now looking too big to succeed...
bobkazamakis 4y ago
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Agreed on the general point, but it's undeniable that corporatism has used conservative politics as the means to the end they desire. See also: every culture war, the fact that the only thing Republicans can agree on are court appointees and tax cuts.

debacle 4y ago
I don't think you understand the US political system in a nuanced or realistic fashion.
- decremental 4y ago
  This could be an accurate auto-response to just about any comment on these types of threads.
- xxpor 4y ago
  This is impossible to respond to without a point to argue against. IM-not-so-HO, I have fantastic understanding of the political system.

CobrastanJorji 4y ago

Right, and the current court is unusually pro-corporate: https://www.axios.com/2022/08/04/supreme-court-john-roberts-business https://www.axios.com/2022/08/04/supreme-court-john-roberts-.... And although it's not necessarily a liberal vs. conservative issue, it would be deceptive not to point out that this is entirely because of the Republican justices.

EarlKing 4y ago
The current court was preceded by a far less conservative court which did precisely dick about the problem for decades. Stop trying to frame this as a party issue when this is a class issue -- and the bourgeoisie controls both sides of the aisle.
- CobrastanJorji 4y ago
  I linked to a summary of a UVA paper evaluating the SC decisions of the last century or so and graphing them as pro or anti-corporatist, which concluded that the current court is the most pro-business ever. You have handwaved that it maybe used to be this bad. If you have some sort of basis for your belief, I would be happy to consider it.
  - EarlKing 4y ago
    The basis of my belief is the undeniable fact that prior courts didn't do a damn thing about it despite decades of opportunities. This simply isn't a partisan issue, no matter how much certain petit bourgeoisie-aligned persons would like to frame it otherwise. This is entirely about the uniparty protecting its class interest in ensuring monopolies are not confronted -- unless they pissed off the wrong party member, of course.
    - CobrastanJorji 4y ago
      I would love to continue arguing, but alas, you say your point is undeniable, and thus, I cannot deny it. Curses, I am foiled by this one simple trick that policy debaters did not want you to know!

Spivak 4y ago

I think polarization on social issues has made people forget that the conservative position / the liberal position isn't always a world ending flamewar. Taking the position that market intervention isn't needed until consumer harm can be sufficiently demonstrated vs. market intervention is needed when any firm wields monopolistic power is a discussion about the role of government and what produces the best outcomes, not "look this side bad."

danaris 4y ago

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cscurmudgeon 4y ago
So which side do Republicans fall on Section 230? For large corps?
olivermarks 4y ago
Google is a global company with huge EU antitrust issues as well as the advertising monopoly dispute in the US which is more of a rival corporations issue than a political one. They are now looking too big to succeed...

bobkazamakis 4y ago

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