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This has the effect of discouraging people from working. So the question becomes how many are left who would be willing to work? And would we need a 80% tax rat

This has the effect of discouraging people from working. So the question becomes how many are left who would be willing to work? And would we need a 80% tax rate on all transactions between people to fund it? And would that be a really bad idea?

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
You only get the money if you are likely to be a criminal. Since it is based on 'AI', that would mean people from poor and crime prone areas because pattern-matching. So you weren't already in that situation, then you'd have to figure out how to make your family very poor and move to a poor crime prone area. That's alot of friction for most to bother with. If everyone in that area qualifies and get the money, over time it likely that crime would decrease and economic activity would increase, school funding improves, and so on and so and eventually this place will no longer be seen by the AI to produce criminals.
- concordDance 4y ago
  I meant the people in the crime ridden area will have that incentive. Another thing worth pointing out is this gives money to the young and the male more than anyone else. Actually, do we even need the AI? We could give every African American male between the ages of 14 and 30 who lives in a crime ridden area, has been arrested, has an absentee father and has at least one friend in prison the money... I'm not sure the more general approach wouldn't work, but "funnel a ton of money into poor crime ridden area" sounds obvious enough as a solution that its probably been tried. Anyone know what the results were? I have vague recollections that a lot of gang crime is more about subculture incentives rather than money directly. Apologies for disjointed thoughts.
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ok_dad 4y ago
> This has the effect of discouraging people from working. Does it? I don't know that we can say it will, for sure. You're just assuming people are lazy, probably. Maybe it will discourage people from doing bullshit jobs and working on shitty advertising crapola, and instead we will have another human renaissance period of amazing things. Everyone I know, even those who aren't college educated and on the track to success since birth, would absolutely do amazing things for their communities with their time if they weren't doing stupid bullshit to enrich others.
- concordDance 4y ago
  The ones I've talked to have said they'd probably watch TV, hang out with friends or play video games.
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    People say a lot of things. I constantly say I hate working and wish I could play vidya all day, but in reality when I'm on vacation I fucking hate it.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago

You only get the money if you are likely to be a criminal. Since it is based on 'AI', that would mean people from poor and crime prone areas because pattern-matching. So you weren't already in that situation, then you'd have to figure out how to make your family very poor and move to a poor crime prone area. That's alot of friction for most to bother with. If everyone in that area qualifies and get the money, over time it likely that crime would decrease and economic activity would increase, school funding improves, and so on and so and eventually this place will no longer be seen by the AI to produce criminals.

concordDance 4y ago
I meant the people in the crime ridden area will have that incentive. Another thing worth pointing out is this gives money to the young and the male more than anyone else. Actually, do we even need the AI? We could give every African American male between the ages of 14 and 30 who lives in a crime ridden area, has been arrested, has an absentee father and has at least one friend in prison the money... I'm not sure the more general approach wouldn't work, but "funnel a ton of money into poor crime ridden area" sounds obvious enough as a solution that its probably been tried. Anyone know what the results were? I have vague recollections that a lot of gang crime is more about subculture incentives rather than money directly. Apologies for disjointed thoughts.

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ok_dad 4y ago

> This has the effect of discouraging people from working. Does it? I don't know that we can say it will, for sure. You're just assuming people are lazy, probably. Maybe it will discourage people from doing bullshit jobs and working on shitty advertising crapola, and instead we will have another human renaissance period of amazing things. Everyone I know, even those who aren't college educated and on the track to success since birth, would absolutely do amazing things for their communities with their time if they weren't doing stupid bullshit to enrich others.

concordDance 4y ago
The ones I've talked to have said they'd probably watch TV, hang out with friends or play video games.
- ok_dad 4y ago
  People say a lot of things. I constantly say I hate working and wish I could play vidya all day, but in reality when I'm on vacation I fucking hate it.