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Why wouldn't people compare Kirchner to Hitler exactly? Isn't Kirchner's saber-rattling over the Falklands a "Lebensraum" argument like Hitler's? The British cl

by drats 15y ago

Why wouldn't people compare Kirchner to Hitler exactly? Isn't Kirchner's saber-rattling over the Falklands a "Lebensraum" argument like Hitler's? The British claim to the islands is older than Argentina itself and more importantly the islanders have made their wish to remain British very clear: yet these farcical claims over their land continue. The Falklands have been illegally attacked once already and rather than be ashamed of the action and terrible loss of life it seems most Argentines are just annoyed they didn't win.

Hrundi 15y ago
I wouldn't compare her to Hitler because it would be completely inane. I could venture the same thought regarding the british colonial empire, but it still wouldn't be right. Any saber-rattling you hear comes from UK's own media. The Falklands issue is not as current here as you might think. Even the most patriotic proponents of having the Falklands back are constantly dismissed. The thought of anything resembling to a military action was never brought on the table here. The press in the UK certainly does put this fear mongering in the spotlight. As for myself, I wish Falklands belonged to neither country. The Falklands belong to the kelpers. Any discussion about it won't pay our monthly rent. We've got quite enough issues as it is. I do take issue when you broadly generalize: "it seems most Argentines are just annoyed they didn't win" Most argentines are trying to mind their own business. The Falklands fall right in the lowest priority bucket, and I doubt it was even in the minds of the 54% of registered voters that chose Cristina. If anything, I feel most argentines won't give a flying fsck about the issue. To me, Gorilla-style patriotism is quickly becoming a thing of the past. I think we're going a bit off-topic though.
- drats 15y ago
  I don't recall the German government pursuing claims for the lands they considered their lebensraum a few short decades after WWII. I don't recall them holding rallies and strident speeches calling for their return. I don't recall them enlisting their diplomatic allies to petition for their return and grouping together to ban vehicles bearing the relevant flags from trading or passing through (in addition to all the other things that Argentina does to make the lives of the islanders difficult). Nor do I hear anyone calling for the reestablishment of the British Empire. There seems to be only one group engaged in Gorilla-style patriotism here. This is about the right of a free people not to be bullied by large neighbours: those who would seek, and have sought, to dispossess the islanders of their land and livelihood. It's most certainly freedom at issue here, and there are those of us on this side that think the behavior of your government is shameful in the extreme. We payed a lot more than rent over the matter last time, and will do so again if necessary. Considering how clear cut the issue is, and the hundreds of deaths that were involved, it's telling how trite you are regarding this despicable campaign against the Falklands by your bully government. The British papers wouldn't be writing anything about it at all if the farcical claim over the Falklands wasn't being pushed all the time by the Argentine government in domestic speeches, regionally (Mercosur bans) and in international fora. All this from a region in receipt of foreign aid from the British government: grow up. It's relevant to the discussion because the tinpot government of "Cristina" (first name basis? or just a supporter?) is betraying totalitarian tendencies in other areas too. Democracy is pretty corrupt in the West, but take a good look in the mirror because you aren't even in the upper half http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index Your police can't be trusted with witnesses, politicians are assassinated and short decades after an unprovoked war you are banging the drums again; I don't see why you expect anyone to be friendly or not to get angry about it. You are right though, we are a bit off topic, because the Falklands already belong to the "kelpers" as you put it, and they say they are British.

by drats 15y ago

Hrundi 15y ago

I wouldn't compare her to Hitler because it would be completely inane. I could venture the same thought regarding the british colonial empire, but it still wouldn't be right. Any saber-rattling you hear comes from UK's own media. The Falklands issue is not as current here as you might think. Even the most patriotic proponents of having the Falklands back are constantly dismissed. The thought of anything resembling to a military action was never brought on the table here. The press in the UK certainly does put this fear mongering in the spotlight. As for myself, I wish Falklands belonged to neither country. The Falklands belong to the kelpers. Any discussion about it won't pay our monthly rent. We've got quite enough issues as it is. I do take issue when you broadly generalize: "it seems most Argentines are just annoyed they didn't win" Most argentines are trying to mind their own business. The Falklands fall right in the lowest priority bucket, and I doubt it was even in the minds of the 54% of registered voters that chose Cristina. If anything, I feel most argentines won't give a flying fsck about the issue. To me, Gorilla-style patriotism is quickly becoming a thing of the past. I think we're going a bit off-topic though.

drats 15y ago
I don't recall the German government pursuing claims for the lands they considered their lebensraum a few short decades after WWII. I don't recall them holding rallies and strident speeches calling for their return. I don't recall them enlisting their diplomatic allies to petition for their return and grouping together to ban vehicles bearing the relevant flags from trading or passing through (in addition to all the other things that Argentina does to make the lives of the islanders difficult). Nor do I hear anyone calling for the reestablishment of the British Empire. There seems to be only one group engaged in Gorilla-style patriotism here. This is about the right of a free people not to be bullied by large neighbours: those who would seek, and have sought, to dispossess the islanders of their land and livelihood. It's most certainly freedom at issue here, and there are those of us on this side that think the behavior of your government is shameful in the extreme. We payed a lot more than rent over the matter last time, and will do so again if necessary. Considering how clear cut the issue is, and the hundreds of deaths that were involved, it's telling how trite you are regarding this despicable campaign against the Falklands by your bully government. The British papers wouldn't be writing anything about it at all if the farcical claim over the Falklands wasn't being pushed all the time by the Argentine government in domestic speeches, regionally (Mercosur bans) and in international fora. All this from a region in receipt of foreign aid from the British government: grow up. It's relevant to the discussion because the tinpot government of "Cristina" (first name basis? or just a supporter?) is betraying totalitarian tendencies in other areas too. Democracy is pretty corrupt in the West, but take a good look in the mirror because you aren't even in the upper half http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index Your police can't be trusted with witnesses, politicians are assassinated and short decades after an unprovoked war you are banging the drums again; I don't see why you expect anyone to be friendly or not to get angry about it. You are right though, we are a bit off topic, because the Falklands already belong to the "kelpers" as you put it, and they say they are British.