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Canonical makes infrastructure that I (and a significant slice of the world economy) depend on. If they want to significantly bias their application pool to peo

Canonical makes infrastructure that I (and a significant slice of the world economy) depend on. If they want to significantly bias their application pool to people who are willing to tolerate that question, then I'm a bit concerned that I've invested years and years building on a decaying foundation, and now I have to investigate.

LatteLazy 4y ago
Wait until you find out about the application process for literally every large company you have ever used...
- justin66 4y ago
  A larger company would likely separate out "new grads" and give them the stupid high school questions.
  - LatteLazy 4y ago
    Actually it's the opposite in my experience: Small companies don't care because they want someone who can do the work. Large companies' decision makers are much more risk averse. They're looking for a reason not to hire you. If you're a poor employee that makes no difference to the,, they are fine, if they take a risk by hiring you despite you once getting a B in high school spanish in 1837, they're the ones that will be embarrassed. This is why small companies will take a CV, interview twice and hire you. But big companies have a dozen committees, a HR "portal" that takes a CV AND then asks for all the same details and more field by field and insists on giving you personality tests and a full horoscope. Those are not there to find good employees (or to weed out the old). They're just arse covering by middle management. And for that purpose they work. So you can stand outside shouting that it's "not relevant" or you can apply elsewhere or you can jump through the hoops. No approach is right or wrong, they're just pragmatic decisions based on what you want.
    - justin66 4y ago
      Just an observation: what I said in my comment is falsifiable. I'm pretty certain you'd find, if you polled a bunch of job application sites for various-sized companies, that large companies are a lot more likely to separate out new grads and entry-level candidates into a separate funnel from more experienced professionals, with separate candidates and more "basic" questions.
- outworlder 4y ago
  > Wait until you find out about the application process for literally every large company you have ever used... Good companies don't ask about high school unless they are getting interns (and even then they usually ask about college)
JonChesterfield 4y ago
Canonical's model is to copy Debian testing, change the branding and apply some set of patches to it, then ship it. Every six months or so they pick up the new Debian testing and repeat. Debian is solid. Ubuntu's layer on top is a bit ymmv.
- modriano 4y ago
  Question: Would I regret switching from Ubuntu 22.04 LTS to Debian Bullseye 11.X (and would I have to use Debian 10 to use an LTS version [0])? How many creature comforts does Ubuntu add onto the Debian base? Just based on the vibe I get from debian.org, I feel like my life would involve a lot more yak shaving (which I don't necessarily mind if it teaches me something that will negate future yak shaves). Context: In 2019 I built a desktop (my personal workstation) and it was my first machine without a windows or Mac OS partition. That machine is still my personal daily driver (outside of work). Using it for ML/MLOps/misc engineering projects has taught me a ton about parts of how Linux works and is organized. [0] https://wiki.debian.org/LTS https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
  - dcminter 4y ago
    I'd like to get a view on this too. Perhaps post it as a top level 'Ask Hacker News' ?
  - JonChesterfield 4y ago
    Debian testing will feel very like an Ubuntu install that doesn't crash on you. One package manager instead of N. Occasionally third party repos only package for Ubuntu, though they're likely to work about as well on Debian as they do on Ubuntu anyway. For a long time Debian refused to bundle closed source firmware with the installer but they've relented on that now. The holdout I know of is Ubuntu have zfs in the kernel and Debian as a package. That seems to make no difference in practice.

LatteLazy 4y ago

Wait until you find out about the application process for literally every large company you have ever used...

justin66 4y ago
A larger company would likely separate out "new grads" and give them the stupid high school questions.
- LatteLazy 4y ago
  Actually it's the opposite in my experience: Small companies don't care because they want someone who can do the work. Large companies' decision makers are much more risk averse. They're looking for a reason not to hire you. If you're a poor employee that makes no difference to the,, they are fine, if they take a risk by hiring you despite you once getting a B in high school spanish in 1837, they're the ones that will be embarrassed. This is why small companies will take a CV, interview twice and hire you. But big companies have a dozen committees, a HR "portal" that takes a CV AND then asks for all the same details and more field by field and insists on giving you personality tests and a full horoscope. Those are not there to find good employees (or to weed out the old). They're just arse covering by middle management. And for that purpose they work. So you can stand outside shouting that it's "not relevant" or you can apply elsewhere or you can jump through the hoops. No approach is right or wrong, they're just pragmatic decisions based on what you want.
  - justin66 4y ago
    Just an observation: what I said in my comment is falsifiable. I'm pretty certain you'd find, if you polled a bunch of job application sites for various-sized companies, that large companies are a lot more likely to separate out new grads and entry-level candidates into a separate funnel from more experienced professionals, with separate candidates and more "basic" questions.
outworlder 4y ago
> Wait until you find out about the application process for literally every large company you have ever used... Good companies don't ask about high school unless they are getting interns (and even then they usually ask about college)

JonChesterfield 4y ago

Canonical's model is to copy Debian testing, change the branding and apply some set of patches to it, then ship it. Every six months or so they pick up the new Debian testing and repeat. Debian is solid. Ubuntu's layer on top is a bit ymmv.

modriano 4y ago
Question: Would I regret switching from Ubuntu 22.04 LTS to Debian Bullseye 11.X (and would I have to use Debian 10 to use an LTS version [0])? How many creature comforts does Ubuntu add onto the Debian base? Just based on the vibe I get from debian.org, I feel like my life would involve a lot more yak shaving (which I don't necessarily mind if it teaches me something that will negate future yak shaves). Context: In 2019 I built a desktop (my personal workstation) and it was my first machine without a windows or Mac OS partition. That machine is still my personal daily driver (outside of work). Using it for ML/MLOps/misc engineering projects has taught me a ton about parts of how Linux works and is organized. [0] https://wiki.debian.org/LTS https://wiki.debian.org/LTS
- dcminter 4y ago
  I'd like to get a view on this too. Perhaps post it as a top level 'Ask Hacker News' ?
- JonChesterfield 4y ago
  Debian testing will feel very like an Ubuntu install that doesn't crash on you. One package manager instead of N. Occasionally third party repos only package for Ubuntu, though they're likely to work about as well on Debian as they do on Ubuntu anyway. For a long time Debian refused to bundle closed source firmware with the installer but they've relented on that now. The holdout I know of is Ubuntu have zfs in the kernel and Debian as a package. That seems to make no difference in practice.