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I'm happy that I stayed on M1 MacBook Pro. I wouldn't be surprised if these numbers translated to slower app startup times, a slightly faster CPU won't balance

I'm happy that I stayed on M1 MacBook Pro. I wouldn't be surprised if these numbers translated to slower app startup times, a slightly faster CPU won't balance it out. Correction: somebody already noticed that Lightroom got slower.

jemmyw 4y ago
What do you mean by "happy you stayed on"? Do you usually upgrade your laptop immediately to the next one the moment it's released? Or do you mean you opted to buy an m1 after the m2 pro was already available?
- xiphias2 4y ago
  I was planning to upgrade, but I won't spend money for staying on the same TSMC process node (I hoped Apple waits for 3nm with M2). Right now though I feel that the new laptop is not even superior, it's similar category (still awesome).
cevn 4y ago
That makes sense sadly. I imagine most people use LR on their desktops though. I can't fit half of my library on one of these SSDs.
- xiphias2 4y ago
  Lot of people need it while travelling, and the cloud version downloads only the data you ask for.
  - cevn 4y ago
    Hmm, I may give that a try, thanks for the tip..
    - Shared404 4y ago
      Note that using Adobe products with their cloud services grants them permission to use the images in AI training. Not everyone cares, which is valid, but it's also kinda hidden.
_aavaa_ 4y ago
Let’s dwell a little on the insanity that Lightroom gets slow on an drive with ONLY 2.8GB/s read speeds
- joenathanone 4y ago
  Its probably more iops effecting performance than transfer speed, imagine going from a 4 lane highway to a 2 lane, of course reality is a bit more nuanced.
  - _aavaa_ 4y ago
    Except in this case, we've gone from 5 billion lanes to 2.8 billion, and I'm fairly certain that this should be more than enough lanes to load a UI and some cached images.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - hot_gril 4y ago
    Most likely. But these SSDs do well in iops too.
Uncorrupt4319 4y ago
I'm just happy that I finally found the courage to ditch LR and Adobe a few years ago. Seeing that their performance issues are still plaguing them doesn't surprise me in the least. Switched out to Photo Mechanic for cataloguing and Capture One / Affinity Photo for editing if anyone is interested.
- 0xakhil 4y ago
  For ipad, Capture One subscription is way costlier than Lr.
  - Uncorrupt4319 4y ago
    True, hence the Affinity Photo app. Good for on-the-go editing and syncing back to my laptop
acdha 4y ago
One thing to remember is that random I/O did not get slower: the benchmark they used is a very simple one simulating writing a single 16GB stream as quickly as possible — unless your job is something like copying high-resolution video files around, you're unlikely to see it slower. That does affect a few people but consider what it means: you can fill the drive up in a little over 2 minutes on the M1 and a little over 3 minutes on the M2. The only way that's relevant to you is if you have some other high-end hardware which can stream data that fast _and_ you're doing relatively little processing on that data _and_ you don't actually store that data for very long (otherwise you need some kind of attached storage array). Lightroom is a terrible app so to the extent that it needs a high-end SSD to start up, that's telling us what we've already known for a decade: Adobe doesn't care about quality and it's a shame the very noticeably faster Aperture was discontinued.

jemmyw 4y ago

What do you mean by "happy you stayed on"? Do you usually upgrade your laptop immediately to the next one the moment it's released? Or do you mean you opted to buy an m1 after the m2 pro was already available?

xiphias2 4y ago
I was planning to upgrade, but I won't spend money for staying on the same TSMC process node (I hoped Apple waits for 3nm with M2). Right now though I feel that the new laptop is not even superior, it's similar category (still awesome).

cevn 4y ago

That makes sense sadly. I imagine most people use LR on their desktops though. I can't fit half of my library on one of these SSDs.

xiphias2 4y ago
Lot of people need it while travelling, and the cloud version downloads only the data you ask for.
- cevn 4y ago
  Hmm, I may give that a try, thanks for the tip..
  - Shared404 4y ago
    Note that using Adobe products with their cloud services grants them permission to use the images in AI training. Not everyone cares, which is valid, but it's also kinda hidden.

_aavaa_ 4y ago

Let’s dwell a little on the insanity that Lightroom gets slow on an drive with ONLY 2.8GB/s read speeds

joenathanone 4y ago
Its probably more iops effecting performance than transfer speed, imagine going from a 4 lane highway to a 2 lane, of course reality is a bit more nuanced.
- _aavaa_ 4y ago
  Except in this case, we've gone from 5 billion lanes to 2.8 billion, and I'm fairly certain that this should be more than enough lanes to load a UI and some cached images.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- hot_gril 4y ago
  Most likely. But these SSDs do well in iops too.

Uncorrupt4319 4y ago

I'm just happy that I finally found the courage to ditch LR and Adobe a few years ago. Seeing that their performance issues are still plaguing them doesn't surprise me in the least. Switched out to Photo Mechanic for cataloguing and Capture One / Affinity Photo for editing if anyone is interested.

0xakhil 4y ago
For ipad, Capture One subscription is way costlier than Lr.
- Uncorrupt4319 4y ago
  True, hence the Affinity Photo app. Good for on-the-go editing and syncing back to my laptop

acdha 4y ago

One thing to remember is that random I/O did not get slower: the benchmark they used is a very simple one simulating writing a single 16GB stream as quickly as possible — unless your job is something like copying high-resolution video files around, you're unlikely to see it slower. That does affect a few people but consider what it means: you can fill the drive up in a little over 2 minutes on the M1 and a little over 3 minutes on the M2. The only way that's relevant to you is if you have some other high-end hardware which can stream data that fast _and_ you're doing relatively little processing on that data _and_ you don't actually store that data for very long (otherwise you need some kind of attached storage array). Lightroom is a terrible app so to the extent that it needs a high-end SSD to start up, that's telling us what we've already known for a decade: Adobe doesn't care about quality and it's a shame the very noticeably faster Aperture was discontinued.