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Don’t fall or people will stomp on you.

echelon 4y ago
This was coming one way or another. AI's threat to Google search is merely icing on the cake. Google has deserved this for a long time coming. AMP, Chrome, removal of ad blocking, defaulting to Google on Chrome and Android, strong arming of web standards...
- jeffbee 4y ago
  Oh no, there's a default web browser on Android? Jeez, that's seriously abusive. I am sure that consumers hate that.
  - pfarrell 4y ago
    Microsoft's anti-trust case was around just this kind of behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....
    - jeffbee 4y ago
      That is too reductive. U.S. v. Microsoft was all about how Microsoft had strong-armed O.E.M.s into not shipping anyone else's browser. That's not the same as having a default browser.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      And absolutely nothing came of browser bundling in the US. The major case was more about MS forcing OEMs to buy licenses for Windows whether the computers shipped with Windows or not.
      - danaris 4y ago
        > And absolutely nothing came of browser bundling in the US. But that has much less to do with the merits of the case, and much more to do with the fact that just before any action could be taken, George W Bush was elected president and began our current trajectory toward unbridled corporate governance of America.
        scarface74 4y ago
        Merits of the case decided by who? A bunch of not-lawyers on HN? Do you think the government should step in and not allow any device to bundled with a browser? Why stop at browsers? Why don’t we just force all manufactures to ship every device without an OS?
        echelon 4y ago
        Windows and Mac scare the user when switching to a non-first party browser. That, at minimum, should be highly illegal. It's wildly anti-competitive when the platform already has home field advantage. System dialogues and prompts continue opening in the platform browser, which further continues to nag the user to switch back. Again, totally unfair. These nags and scares should not be allowed. Competition is what makes our economy, our industry, and the pace of innovation great. Apple, Microsoft, and Google should have to work harder to maintain their insurmountable leads, not fall back on the almost sovereign militaristic advantages they hold. They have gluttonous cash flows that are impossible to attack, and they use that money to force themselves into new markets where innovators are working night and day with every fiber of their being. I don't mind these companies being the biggest in the world. What I hate is that they can so easily put their thumb on anyone trying to do better, and that they can easily extinguish the hard work of others.
        scarface74 4y ago
        > That, at minimum, should be highly illegal. It's wildly anti-competitive when the platform already has home field advantage. So should it also be illegal for third party browsers to keep nagging the user that they should be the default? That’s what Netscape did for years and what Chrome does

This was coming one way or another. AI's threat to Google search is merely icing on the cake. Google has deserved this for a long time coming. AMP, Chrome, removal of ad blocking, defaulting to Google on Chrome and Android, strong arming of web standards...

jeffbee 4y ago
Oh no, there's a default web browser on Android? Jeez, that's seriously abusive. I am sure that consumers hate that.
- pfarrell 4y ago
  Microsoft's anti-trust case was around just this kind of behavior. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    That is too reductive. U.S. v. Microsoft was all about how Microsoft had strong-armed O.E.M.s into not shipping anyone else's browser. That's not the same as having a default browser.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    And absolutely nothing came of browser bundling in the US. The major case was more about MS forcing OEMs to buy licenses for Windows whether the computers shipped with Windows or not.
    - danaris 4y ago
      > And absolutely nothing came of browser bundling in the US. But that has much less to do with the merits of the case, and much more to do with the fact that just before any action could be taken, George W Bush was elected president and began our current trajectory toward unbridled corporate governance of America.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        Merits of the case decided by who? A bunch of not-lawyers on HN? Do you think the government should step in and not allow any device to bundled with a browser? Why stop at browsers? Why don’t we just force all manufactures to ship every device without an OS?
        echelon 4y ago
        Windows and Mac scare the user when switching to a non-first party browser. That, at minimum, should be highly illegal. It's wildly anti-competitive when the platform already has home field advantage. System dialogues and prompts continue opening in the platform browser, which further continues to nag the user to switch back. Again, totally unfair. These nags and scares should not be allowed. Competition is what makes our economy, our industry, and the pace of innovation great. Apple, Microsoft, and Google should have to work harder to maintain their insurmountable leads, not fall back on the almost sovereign militaristic advantages they hold. They have gluttonous cash flows that are impossible to attack, and they use that money to force themselves into new markets where innovators are working night and day with every fiber of their being. I don't mind these companies being the biggest in the world. What I hate is that they can so easily put their thumb on anyone trying to do better, and that they can easily extinguish the hard work of others.
        scarface74 4y ago
        > That, at minimum, should be highly illegal. It's wildly anti-competitive when the platform already has home field advantage. So should it also be illegal for third party browsers to keep nagging the user that they should be the default? That’s what Netscape did for years and what Chrome does