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This seems like a made up number. This article here states that it is at most 10% of all people even in that category of crime in Bavaria https://netzpolitik.or

by VMG 4y ago

This seems like a made up number. This article here states that it is at most 10% of all people even in that category of crime in Bavaria https://netzpolitik.org/2022/datenluecke-wie-viele-menschen-sitzen-wegen-fahren-ohne-ticket-im-gefaengnis/ https://netzpolitik.org/2022/datenluecke-wie-viele-menschen-... The category being "Ersatzfreiheitsstrafe" (imprisonment for failure to pay a fine) Do you have a source for your claim?

notch656c 4y ago
Bavaria is the second most well off state so it seems a little unreasonable to assume the average numbers must be near that. These are the kind of crimes disproportionately concerning the poor.
dymk 4y ago
If your numbers are true, and 10% of the prison population consists of people who didn't pay their bus fare, that is egregious
- VMG 4y ago
  The 10% are in the category of "Ersatzfreiheitsstrafe" which are is "imprisonment for failure to pay a fine" The article is about the lack of more fine-grained data in that category
- candiodari 4y ago
  You don't get it. The fines are HUGE and the prison sentences really short. So what do you choose? Pay x000 euro? Or go to prison for 1 day, a week at most? There are a substantial number of people picking the second option. Hell, people joke it's about the experience. (Also this is in fact mostly about speeding tickets, not public transport fares)
lancebeet 4y ago
I was also curious about this statement. According to wikipedia, one third of the Plötzensee Prison inmates are there due to fare evasion. Or rather, they were when the articles that wikipedia cites were written. Of course, being a juvenile prison in Berlin, it might have the highest rate of fare evader inmates of any prison in the country (which would explain why the articles write about that prison specifically). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plötzensee_Prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plötzensee_Prison https://taz.de/135-Schwarzfahrer-hinter-Gittern/!5134051/ https://taz.de/135-Schwarzfahrer-hinter-Gittern/!5134051/ https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/jeder-dritte-in-plotzensee-sitzt-wegen-schwarzfahrens-8598460.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/jeder-dritte-in-plotzense...

by VMG 4y ago

notch656c 4y ago

Bavaria is the second most well off state so it seems a little unreasonable to assume the average numbers must be near that. These are the kind of crimes disproportionately concerning the poor.

dymk 4y ago

If your numbers are true, and 10% of the prison population consists of people who didn't pay their bus fare, that is egregious

VMG 4y ago
The 10% are in the category of "Ersatzfreiheitsstrafe" which are is "imprisonment for failure to pay a fine" The article is about the lack of more fine-grained data in that category
candiodari 4y ago
You don't get it. The fines are HUGE and the prison sentences really short. So what do you choose? Pay x000 euro? Or go to prison for 1 day, a week at most? There are a substantial number of people picking the second option. Hell, people joke it's about the experience. (Also this is in fact mostly about speeding tickets, not public transport fares)

lancebeet 4y ago

I was also curious about this statement. According to wikipedia, one third of the Plötzensee Prison inmates are there due to fare evasion. Or rather, they were when the articles that wikipedia cites were written. Of course, being a juvenile prison in Berlin, it might have the highest rate of fare evader inmates of any prison in the country (which would explain why the articles write about that prison specifically). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plötzensee_Prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plötzensee_Prison https://taz.de/135-Schwarzfahrer-hinter-Gittern/!5134051/ https://taz.de/135-Schwarzfahrer-hinter-Gittern/!5134051/ https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/jeder-dritte-in-plotzensee-sitzt-wegen-schwarzfahrens-8598460.html https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/jeder-dritte-in-plotzense...