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Is there a point at which Russia would consider other countries directly arming, training, assisting Ukraine to be an act of war? If that point does exist, the

by yucky 4y ago

Is there a point at which Russia would consider other countries directly arming, training, assisting Ukraine to be an act of war? If that point does exist, then either it has to be avoided, which would require knowing where that line between indirect defensive support, and direct action is. Or the point will be crossed and other nations are then involved directly in the war. Thus far, US/NATO have tried to not cross that line so as to avoid turning it from a proxy engagement to an actual war directly involving US/NATO. As we see countries sending more and better weapons now, there is of course a higher risk that the line is crossed.

nequo 4y ago
So this is speculation and not new information from intelligence sources, right? We could say with equal confidence that Ukraine is already breaking Russia’s budget and they would not want to escalate.
- yucky 4y ago
  > So this is speculation and not new information from intelligence sources, right? It seems like you're defensive and have set out with an end in mind. That being said, yes intelligences sources have repeatedly warned about escalation and currently there is disagreement on which tanks can/should be sent. Lavrov has also just warned about being on the verge of a much bigger conflict now based on the newest developments[1]. Or maybe it's nothing and Ukraine will crush Russia in a few weeks and we all go back to our over-inflated salaries and all is well in the world. I don't pretend to know the future, you asked a specific question and were given a specific answer. I have no desire to debate the future with you, but maybe we can both agree that in any war there is a risk of it spreading, since we've seen it happen repeatedly throughout history. And if we can't even agree on that, then we've probably take the discussion as far as we can on here. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/lavrov-warns-that-the-war-between-russia-and-the-west-is-no-longer-hybrid-but-a-near-real-conflict/ar-AA16Egxq https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/lavrov-warns-that-the-w...
- yucky 4y ago
  To further update this, the German Foreign Minister just stated in reference to the recent decision to send tanks to Ukraine: "But the most important and the crucial part is that we do it together and that we do not do the blame game in Europe, because we are fighting a war against Russia and not against each other.” "because we are fighting a war against Russia" ~Germany's foreign minister. Think about the significance of this statement made yesterday. https://www.anews.com.tr/economy/2023/01/24/german-foreign-minister-we-are-fighting-russia-not-each-other https://www.anews.com.tr/economy/2023/01/24/german-foreign-m... I would say this is an example of the war beginning to spread, yes?

by yucky 4y ago

nequo 4y ago

So this is speculation and not new information from intelligence sources, right? We could say with equal confidence that Ukraine is already breaking Russia’s budget and they would not want to escalate.

yucky 4y ago
> So this is speculation and not new information from intelligence sources, right? It seems like you're defensive and have set out with an end in mind. That being said, yes intelligences sources have repeatedly warned about escalation and currently there is disagreement on which tanks can/should be sent. Lavrov has also just warned about being on the verge of a much bigger conflict now based on the newest developments[1]. Or maybe it's nothing and Ukraine will crush Russia in a few weeks and we all go back to our over-inflated salaries and all is well in the world. I don't pretend to know the future, you asked a specific question and were given a specific answer. I have no desire to debate the future with you, but maybe we can both agree that in any war there is a risk of it spreading, since we've seen it happen repeatedly throughout history. And if we can't even agree on that, then we've probably take the discussion as far as we can on here. [1] https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/lavrov-warns-that-the-war-between-russia-and-the-west-is-no-longer-hybrid-but-a-near-real-conflict/ar-AA16Egxq https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/lavrov-warns-that-the-w...
yucky 4y ago
To further update this, the German Foreign Minister just stated in reference to the recent decision to send tanks to Ukraine: "But the most important and the crucial part is that we do it together and that we do not do the blame game in Europe, because we are fighting a war against Russia and not against each other.” "because we are fighting a war against Russia" ~Germany's foreign minister. Think about the significance of this statement made yesterday. https://www.anews.com.tr/economy/2023/01/24/german-foreign-minister-we-are-fighting-russia-not-each-other https://www.anews.com.tr/economy/2023/01/24/german-foreign-m... I would say this is an example of the war beginning to spread, yes?