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Edward Snowden Joins Nostr

24 points by KoftaBob 4y ago

throwaway81523 4y ago
Tweet text: "One of the cool things about Nostr ("Notes and other stuff transmitted by relays", a new decentralized protocol that replaces things like Twitter and Instagram)—beyond censorship resistance—is that you aren't limited to 280 characters." Sounds like Usenet. What will it do about spam?
- drexlspivey 4y ago
  Proof of work is integrated in the protocol. Either relays or clients can require arbitrary difficulty to relay/show messages. You just drop messages that their hash doesn't start with the required amount of 0s
  - throwaway81523 4y ago
    That sounds unpromising. Spammers will throw more computational resources than humans are willing to tolerate. They have captcha farms after all. Spammer bot with a server farm (maybe using stolen AWS credentials) will always outcompute a legit user with a mobile phone browser who is only willing to put up with a few seconds of latency.
  - FreeTrade 4y ago
    It's using SHA256 hashing - so ASICs spammers will easily outcompete handhelds or even desktops. It'll need to upgrade to a more CPU friend hash like RandomX for this to have a chance of working.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >What will it do about spam? It seems that would depend on, or change according to, each individual relay. >If spam is a concern for a relay, it can require payment for publication or some other form of authentication, such as an email address or phone, and associate these internally with a pubkey that then gets to publish to that relay — or other anti-spam techniques, like hashcash or captchas. If a relay is being used as a spam vector, it can easily be unlisted by clients, which can continue to fetch updates from other relays.[0] [0] https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr
- seanhunter 4y ago
  It will most likely be overwhelmed by spam and scams, like telegram or like usenet itself (sadly). Until I got fed up and deleted telegram, I was randomly added to at least 1 investment scam promotion group every week.
  - TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
    Not necessary to delete it, just limit who can add you to the group > The default settings allow for this, so you will want to change them. To do so, open the app and head to Settings -> Privacy and Security -> Groups & Channels and check off My Contacts instead of Everybody. You can also exclude specific contacts (or include specific users who aren't in your contacts). https://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/977460 https://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/977460
    - seanhunter 4y ago
      I was getting zero value from the app so it was a joy to delete it tbh. But that's good to hear.
  - rubatuga 4y ago
    They claim to defeat spam, but only mention payments as the way. I am not bullish about nostr
shapefrog 4y ago
> What is Nostr? > A decentralized network based on cryptographic keypairs and that is not peer-to-peer, it is super simple and scalable and therefore has a chance of working. Read more about the protocol. You can also reach us at our Telegram group (while we don't have a decent group chat application fully working on Nostr). Telegram really has captured quite a role as a functional forum / irc channel.
- wkat4242 4y ago
  Discord too. I wish people would use open tech like matrix more. It's perfectly suitable for this also. I don't mind Telegram so much but Discord wants a lot of personal information through its PC client. So I don't really use it even though some open source projects unfortunately do (like Home Assistant)
tee_0 4y ago
I’m looking forward to twitter. When they start hosting video in a serious way and also long documents that will be very interesting. I think it’s ironic because all the people defiantly switching to a decentralized platform are just making twitters success more inevitable by drawing attention to platforms that will fail regardless rather than one of twitters serious competitors. The real decentralized system has been in front of us the whole time: the market. Only nerds will ever use federated, decentralized systems, only nerds will ever accept the trade offs that come with them. Regular people don’t act on principle, especially on things they don’t know anything about. Centralized platforms like twitter will continue to dominate because huge numbers of people will use them and feed them with the breath of life.
- anigbrowl 4y ago
  How will it be different from Facebook, other than cosmetically?
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - tee_0 4y ago
    Does radio ring a bell? https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew Tell me how David letterman was wrong and I’ll tell you how you’re wrong. You got triggered by my comment and went through my post history. That’s pathetic
    - anigbrowl 4y ago
      No, it doesn't. I asked you how Twitter with longer tweets and long-form video would be different from Facebook, which already has long posts and long-form video. I am not watching your video as it would be a waste of my time, I have been extremely online since before the WWW existed. I did not get 'triggered' by your comment and have no interest in your post history, and have never interacted with you other that this one question above. You seem to be mixing me up with someone else, and/or imagine yourself to have psychic powers.

24 points by KoftaBob 4y ago

Tweet text: "One of the cool things about Nostr ("Notes and other stuff transmitted by relays", a new decentralized protocol that replaces things like Twitter and Instagram)—beyond censorship resistance—is that you aren't limited to 280 characters." Sounds like Usenet. What will it do about spam?

drexlspivey 4y ago
Proof of work is integrated in the protocol. Either relays or clients can require arbitrary difficulty to relay/show messages. You just drop messages that their hash doesn't start with the required amount of 0s
- throwaway81523 4y ago
  That sounds unpromising. Spammers will throw more computational resources than humans are willing to tolerate. They have captcha farms after all. Spammer bot with a server farm (maybe using stolen AWS credentials) will always outcompute a legit user with a mobile phone browser who is only willing to put up with a few seconds of latency.
- FreeTrade 4y ago
  It's using SHA256 hashing - so ASICs spammers will easily outcompete handhelds or even desktops. It'll need to upgrade to a more CPU friend hash like RandomX for this to have a chance of working.
jjulius 4y ago
>What will it do about spam? It seems that would depend on, or change according to, each individual relay. >If spam is a concern for a relay, it can require payment for publication or some other form of authentication, such as an email address or phone, and associate these internally with a pubkey that then gets to publish to that relay — or other anti-spam techniques, like hashcash or captchas. If a relay is being used as a spam vector, it can easily be unlisted by clients, which can continue to fetch updates from other relays.[0] [0] https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr https://github.com/nostr-protocol/nostr
seanhunter 4y ago
It will most likely be overwhelmed by spam and scams, like telegram or like usenet itself (sadly). Until I got fed up and deleted telegram, I was randomly added to at least 1 investment scam promotion group every week.
- TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
  Not necessary to delete it, just limit who can add you to the group > The default settings allow for this, so you will want to change them. To do so, open the app and head to Settings -> Privacy and Security -> Groups & Channels and check off My Contacts instead of Everybody. You can also exclude specific contacts (or include specific users who aren't in your contacts). https://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/977460 https://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/977460
  - seanhunter 4y ago
    I was getting zero value from the app so it was a joy to delete it tbh. But that's good to hear.
- rubatuga 4y ago
  They claim to defeat spam, but only mention payments as the way. I am not bullish about nostr

shapefrog 4y ago

> What is Nostr? > A decentralized network based on cryptographic keypairs and that is not peer-to-peer, it is super simple and scalable and therefore has a chance of working. Read more about the protocol. You can also reach us at our Telegram group (while we don't have a decent group chat application fully working on Nostr). Telegram really has captured quite a role as a functional forum / irc channel.

wkat4242 4y ago
Discord too. I wish people would use open tech like matrix more. It's perfectly suitable for this also. I don't mind Telegram so much but Discord wants a lot of personal information through its PC client. So I don't really use it even though some open source projects unfortunately do (like Home Assistant)

tee_0 4y ago

I’m looking forward to twitter. When they start hosting video in a serious way and also long documents that will be very interesting. I think it’s ironic because all the people defiantly switching to a decentralized platform are just making twitters success more inevitable by drawing attention to platforms that will fail regardless rather than one of twitters serious competitors. The real decentralized system has been in front of us the whole time: the market. Only nerds will ever use federated, decentralized systems, only nerds will ever accept the trade offs that come with them. Regular people don’t act on principle, especially on things they don’t know anything about. Centralized platforms like twitter will continue to dominate because huge numbers of people will use them and feed them with the breath of life.

anigbrowl 4y ago
How will it be different from Facebook, other than cosmetically?
- deleted 4y ago
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- tee_0 4y ago
  Does radio ring a bell? https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew https://youtu.be/fs-YpQj88ew Tell me how David letterman was wrong and I’ll tell you how you’re wrong. You got triggered by my comment and went through my post history. That’s pathetic
  - anigbrowl 4y ago
    No, it doesn't. I asked you how Twitter with longer tweets and long-form video would be different from Facebook, which already has long posts and long-form video. I am not watching your video as it would be a waste of my time, I have been extremely online since before the WWW existed. I did not get 'triggered' by your comment and have no interest in your post history, and have never interacted with you other that this one question above. You seem to be mixing me up with someone else, and/or imagine yourself to have psychic powers.