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"Vital missing PWA features" are really only vital for devs who don't want to do native mobile apps. For the rest of us, they're a yawn.

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postalrat 4y ago
And for users who prefer keeping control. Why do you think reddit wants you to run their app and not their website on your device?
- pwinnski 4y ago
  So they can run ads where I can't easily block them, presumably.
- acdha 4y ago
  This is an interesting argument because while Google advertises the PWA concept as benefiting users, many of the features Apple and Mozilla haven’t shipped have been held back over privacy concerns. Reddit works fine in a browser, but the company wants to push you into the native app to get better ad data - they’re not going to support a PWA which gives you more control. The biggest exception is Web Notifications and while that’s useful the desktop situation suggests there’s more than a little validity to the spam concerns. I would like that for a couple of sites but suspect I’d get really tired of selecting the “never allow” option in prompts.
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > And for users who prefer keeping control. The moment Firefox implemented one of the many hardware APIs aggressively pushed and promoted by Google, they immediately discovered it was used for fingerprinting: https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730985778556931 https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730985778556931 Chrome doesn't even show a prompt in this case. So much for "control".
  - postalrat 4y ago
    Checked my settings and chrome defaults to prompt. Where did you read that chrome doesn't prompt?
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      Could be they fixed it after this. Info on no prompt from the same person: https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730988118867968 https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730988118867968 --- start quote --- Chrome still allows web developers to enumerate attached MIDI devices without user consent or even a notification, btw. --- end quote ---
ch4s3 4y ago
I have never once intentionally or willingly used a PWA when an app was available.

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postalrat 4y ago

And for users who prefer keeping control. Why do you think reddit wants you to run their app and not their website on your device?

pwinnski 4y ago
So they can run ads where I can't easily block them, presumably.
acdha 4y ago
This is an interesting argument because while Google advertises the PWA concept as benefiting users, many of the features Apple and Mozilla haven’t shipped have been held back over privacy concerns. Reddit works fine in a browser, but the company wants to push you into the native app to get better ad data - they’re not going to support a PWA which gives you more control. The biggest exception is Web Notifications and while that’s useful the desktop situation suggests there’s more than a little validity to the spam concerns. I would like that for a couple of sites but suspect I’d get really tired of selecting the “never allow” option in prompts.
dmitriid 4y ago
> And for users who prefer keeping control. The moment Firefox implemented one of the many hardware APIs aggressively pushed and promoted by Google, they immediately discovered it was used for fingerprinting: https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730985778556931 https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730985778556931 Chrome doesn't even show a prompt in this case. So much for "control".
- postalrat 4y ago
  Checked my settings and chrome defaults to prompt. Where did you read that chrome doesn't prompt?
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    Could be they fixed it after this. Info on no prompt from the same person: https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730988118867968 https://twitter.com/denschub/status/1582730988118867968 --- start quote --- Chrome still allows web developers to enumerate attached MIDI devices without user consent or even a notification, btw. --- end quote ---

ch4s3 4y ago

I have never once intentionally or willingly used a PWA when an app was available.