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>free speech laws are different in Canada do you mean Canada actually has laws to define what you may say or not ? I'm always upset with Americans companies w

>free speech laws are different in Canada do you mean Canada actually has laws to define what you may say or not ? I'm always upset with Americans companies when they moderate the content with their ToS and arbitrary moderation. Often they even delegated to users, by threatening to ban them if they didn't delete something they don't like. They don't even properly define what they don't like, so that you delete any controversial content and just chase likes. And these American companies or their users just take down whatever they want, even if it's legal. That's not free speech. In Europe, you used to have proper objective laws, and a court had to decide if a content was illegal. Even nowadays, I can report hate speech, scams, and other forms of actually illegal content to the police. They will properly investigate and the author can go to trial, like this man in Canada. That's proper rule of law. In the USA, the moderation would just delete the content like nothing happened, and then hater speechers are free to go to the Daily Stormer or other companies with compatible ToS.

3pac 4y ago
What is objective about a law? It still comes down to judgment calls. First Amendment aside, I fear that restricting speech would result in a backlash from Neo-Nazi types, or worse, a national situation like The Gulag Archipelago describes. How about teaching to think and write more accurately instead. "I would not have subjected my child to the humiliation of wearing a slave collar and manacles, and then photographing him, and then publishing the photograph. He is clearly shying away from the camera. He appears to be at a critical age developmentally. He may grow to resent this experience rather than learning anything from it." Sending them back to high school-level English to read Roots and Black Like Me, and then write a paper might work. Framing it that way as a court-mandated punishment does not sound great on its face. I suspect that some keyboard nazis just need to be exposed to more moderate discourse. However, that will not happen if they silo their discussions in sites like The Daily Stormer.
- 3pac 4y ago
  HN does not let me edit now, but I regret using the derogatory term "keyboard nazi", lest somebody take it as a challenge to prove they are more than that. Disaffected people have largely the same insecurities as everybody else, such as housing, job, normal human relationship and sexual issues, and addressing them is key, as opposed to allowing blame-shifting and scapegoating to fester.
incomingpain 4y ago
>do you mean Canada actually has laws to define what you may say or not ? Yes in several levels. The one violated in OP is hate speech. You're explicitly not allowed to say anything which may incite another person to "hate" anything at all. As a good person, you generally avoid doing this but it has become a tool in politics. In Canadian politics, to silence a politician, you simply assert they are racist or some sort of hate identifier. The newer level, the one which gave Jordan Peterson his fame is compelled speech. You are compelled by the government to speak certain words in certain situations. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/taking-stock-of-old-stock-canadians-stephen-harper-called-a-racist-after-remark-during-debate https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/taking-stock-of-old-s... https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/02/14/news/scheer-blasted-racist-and-absurd-telling-wetsuweten-supporters-check-their-privilege https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/02/14/news/scheer-blas... https://www.facebook.com/democraticsocialistscanada/photos/a.104004634479601/239357307610999/?type=3 https://www.facebook.com/democraticsocialistscanada/photos/a... All your political opponents are racist, sexist, misogynists and therefore are silenced. You don't get to see what they say. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/journalists-question-media-bailout-1.5147761 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/journalists-question-media-... The media isn't legally allowed to cover any racists... funny how the government also pays all the media...

3pac 4y ago

What is objective about a law? It still comes down to judgment calls. First Amendment aside, I fear that restricting speech would result in a backlash from Neo-Nazi types, or worse, a national situation like The Gulag Archipelago describes. How about teaching to think and write more accurately instead. "I would not have subjected my child to the humiliation of wearing a slave collar and manacles, and then photographing him, and then publishing the photograph. He is clearly shying away from the camera. He appears to be at a critical age developmentally. He may grow to resent this experience rather than learning anything from it." Sending them back to high school-level English to read Roots and Black Like Me, and then write a paper might work. Framing it that way as a court-mandated punishment does not sound great on its face. I suspect that some keyboard nazis just need to be exposed to more moderate discourse. However, that will not happen if they silo their discussions in sites like The Daily Stormer.

3pac 4y ago
HN does not let me edit now, but I regret using the derogatory term "keyboard nazi", lest somebody take it as a challenge to prove they are more than that. Disaffected people have largely the same insecurities as everybody else, such as housing, job, normal human relationship and sexual issues, and addressing them is key, as opposed to allowing blame-shifting and scapegoating to fester.

incomingpain 4y ago

>do you mean Canada actually has laws to define what you may say or not ? Yes in several levels. The one violated in OP is hate speech. You're explicitly not allowed to say anything which may incite another person to "hate" anything at all. As a good person, you generally avoid doing this but it has become a tool in politics. In Canadian politics, to silence a politician, you simply assert they are racist or some sort of hate identifier. The newer level, the one which gave Jordan Peterson his fame is compelled speech. You are compelled by the government to speak certain words in certain situations. https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/taking-stock-of-old-stock-canadians-stephen-harper-called-a-racist-after-remark-during-debate https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/taking-stock-of-old-s... https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/02/14/news/scheer-blasted-racist-and-absurd-telling-wetsuweten-supporters-check-their-privilege https://www.nationalobserver.com/2020/02/14/news/scheer-blas... https://www.facebook.com/democraticsocialistscanada/photos/a.104004634479601/239357307610999/?type=3 https://www.facebook.com/democraticsocialistscanada/photos/a... All your political opponents are racist, sexist, misogynists and therefore are silenced. You don't get to see what they say. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/journalists-question-media-bailout-1.5147761 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/journalists-question-media-... The media isn't legally allowed to cover any racists... funny how the government also pays all the media...