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> You know exactly what the price will be unless you failed 2nd grade math. As a tourist to the US, it just seemed silly. The random sales tax percentage, the

> You know exactly what the price will be unless you failed 2nd grade math. As a tourist to the US, it just seemed silly. The random sales tax percentage, the tip or no tip (calculated pre or post sales tax?) situation. And due to the tipping thing, I had to carry cash, which I hadn’t done in 20+ years. It felt like going back in time a very long way. Ask for what you want, I’ll decide if I’ll pay it and I’ll come back if I liked the service.

FrontierPsych 4y ago
There are actual rational reasons, though. You, and even most Americans, don't know what they are, is all. Random sales tax on stuff for example is separate. This is not the fault of the business. The way USA government works is that sales tax is set by the county. There are 3,142 counties and county equivalents. Each charging their own tax amount. Let's say you are a big store like Target with stores across the USA. They want to charge $25 for a pair of shoes. How do they advertise? They take out advertising all across the USA, and charge $25 for the shoes. Well, how do you put in the correct amount on the newspaper or website advertisement? You put it in the newspaper for $27.50 because one county charges 10% sales tax. But the next county over has a 7% sales tax. The correct price is $26.75. But that newspaper is delivered into multiple counties, in the same exact newspaper, so there is no possible way for target to put the correct price. It's literally impossible. So what they do is say the shoes are $25, and you pay the difference to the county as an extra. Because the business can do fuck all about it. In European countries, they probably have the same exact sales tax everywhere, so it is ok to do it that way. But Target isn't going to get the entire USA to change the tax code of 3,142 different tax jurisdictions. Good luck on that one. For tipping, you don't have to carry cash at all. I never do. They have an extra line on the receipt to add the tip. I just round it and don't do it exactly, because it is easier and faster that way. You want me to ask for what I want? Ok. I want to tell you the price of the meal and you pay a 15% tip. That is what I want. And I don't want anyone whining about it. If one wants to whine, just stay at home and cook a home-cooked meal. Everyone wins. And, as I stated elsewhere, it is usually the people that are most vocal against tips that are the most pain in the butt customers anyways; even if there were not tips, they would still be the worst customers. Maybe not you, but most like that always have something more to complain about.
tayo42 4y ago
Fwiw you can tip with credit cards everywhere now. I don't think tip receivers like it, but tipping sucks, they can deal with it. I don't carry cash anymore.
- ryanbrunner 4y ago
  Even credit cards seem super backwards in the US with them actually taking your credit card and giving it back to you (and your tip being just written down on a slip of paper).
- lostlogin 4y ago
  How does that work with things like the porter who takes bags to the hotel room? Or the person who cleans the room? Maybe they aren’t supposed to be tipped, as we never got the hang of it and blundered about trying to avoid causing offended.
  - FrontierPsych 4y ago
    In a case like this, you should bring cash with you anyways. It is a different situation than going to a restaurant. When you travel one should always have cash, even if one normally doesn't. It's common sense.
  - tayo42 4y ago
    Personally, I just stopped doing that.the tips were small to begin with. I think people also know non Americans aren't going to get it right. If they're the type of person to get offended over that, I wouldn't spend my time worrying about their opinion of me
chollida1 4y ago
> And due to the tipping thing, I had to carry cash, which I hadn’t done in 20+ years. > It felt like going back in time a very long way. I live in North America and tip for alot of things. Never paid cash. Not sure why you felt like you had to but can always tip on visa the rest of us do.

FrontierPsych 4y ago

There are actual rational reasons, though. You, and even most Americans, don't know what they are, is all. Random sales tax on stuff for example is separate. This is not the fault of the business. The way USA government works is that sales tax is set by the county. There are 3,142 counties and county equivalents. Each charging their own tax amount. Let's say you are a big store like Target with stores across the USA. They want to charge $25 for a pair of shoes. How do they advertise? They take out advertising all across the USA, and charge $25 for the shoes. Well, how do you put in the correct amount on the newspaper or website advertisement? You put it in the newspaper for $27.50 because one county charges 10% sales tax. But the next county over has a 7% sales tax. The correct price is $26.75. But that newspaper is delivered into multiple counties, in the same exact newspaper, so there is no possible way for target to put the correct price. It's literally impossible. So what they do is say the shoes are $25, and you pay the difference to the county as an extra. Because the business can do fuck all about it. In European countries, they probably have the same exact sales tax everywhere, so it is ok to do it that way. But Target isn't going to get the entire USA to change the tax code of 3,142 different tax jurisdictions. Good luck on that one. For tipping, you don't have to carry cash at all. I never do. They have an extra line on the receipt to add the tip. I just round it and don't do it exactly, because it is easier and faster that way. You want me to ask for what I want? Ok. I want to tell you the price of the meal and you pay a 15% tip. That is what I want. And I don't want anyone whining about it. If one wants to whine, just stay at home and cook a home-cooked meal. Everyone wins. And, as I stated elsewhere, it is usually the people that are most vocal against tips that are the most pain in the butt customers anyways; even if there were not tips, they would still be the worst customers. Maybe not you, but most like that always have something more to complain about.

tayo42 4y ago

Fwiw you can tip with credit cards everywhere now. I don't think tip receivers like it, but tipping sucks, they can deal with it. I don't carry cash anymore.

ryanbrunner 4y ago
Even credit cards seem super backwards in the US with them actually taking your credit card and giving it back to you (and your tip being just written down on a slip of paper).
lostlogin 4y ago
How does that work with things like the porter who takes bags to the hotel room? Or the person who cleans the room? Maybe they aren’t supposed to be tipped, as we never got the hang of it and blundered about trying to avoid causing offended.
- FrontierPsych 4y ago
  In a case like this, you should bring cash with you anyways. It is a different situation than going to a restaurant. When you travel one should always have cash, even if one normally doesn't. It's common sense.
- tayo42 4y ago
  Personally, I just stopped doing that.the tips were small to begin with. I think people also know non Americans aren't going to get it right. If they're the type of person to get offended over that, I wouldn't spend my time worrying about their opinion of me

chollida1 4y ago

> And due to the tipping thing, I had to carry cash, which I hadn’t done in 20+ years. > It felt like going back in time a very long way. I live in North America and tip for alot of things. Never paid cash. Not sure why you felt like you had to but can always tip on visa the rest of us do.