Oh absolutely they have other things that have done well. But for every 1 successful product they have like 10 failed. Hence my comment of throwing mud at the w

Oh absolutely they have other things that have done well. But for every 1 successful product they have like 10 failed. Hence my comment of throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. I just think that we are giving them more credit than they deserve. Doesn't mean there aren't exceptionally talented people there. Can imagine some of the guys working on stadia would have been incredibly talented. But they killed it off, never even got to try it as it wasn't available in SG/TW.