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I am sure every single person would rather be paid a consistent wage. isn't the whole problem with tipping is that every role with tipping will lower the base

by rtpg 4y ago

I am sure every single person would rather be paid a consistent wage. isn't the whole problem with tipping is that every role with tipping will lower the base pay in consideration of that? I would find it very hard to believe anyone receiving tips prefering that to just a stable matching income (except for some exceptional cases...) And yeah, it turns out that people want to be paid more than minimum wage to be on their feet and dealing with customer orders all day long. I don't see why service people shouldn't be paid more than minimum wage!

dragonwriter 4y ago
> isn’t the whole problem with tipping is that every role with tipping will lower the base pay in consideration of that? That’s a problem. Another problem is that it is demonstrated to be a loophole through which unequal compensation on bases that would otherwise be unlawful for an employer are achieved.
ztrww 4y ago
> I am sure every single person would rather be paid a consistent wage I’m certain that is not the case for many/most (depending on the area and establishment) tipped workers. Most waiters, baristas & bartenders certainly wouldn’t want to earn only slightly more than fast food workers even if the average wage goes up. > will lower the base pay Not in California and some other places (applies to at least 10-15% of the US population)
- rtpg 4y ago
  > Most waiters, baristas & bartenders certainly wouldn’t want to earn only slightly more than fast food workers even if the average wage goes up. I don’t understand this argument. What I’m saying is to just take what the earnings were with wage + tips, and make it just wage. Literally not changing the total take home pay (I guess people don’t report tips though?)
  - panda-giddiness 4y ago
    Unfortunately I doubt this would be a steady state solution. If restaurants were to implement this suggestion, they'd probably undercut each other's prices by significantly lowering the wage of their staff.
    - carlosjobim 4y ago
      Business owners who don't pay their workers satisfactory wages will find nobody to work for them, lose customers and have to close. It's happening rapidly, worldwide, right now.
      - panda-giddiness 4y ago
        Certainly there's a lower bound at which a business owner won't be able to staff their restaurant, but that lower bound isn't one penny less than the status quo. Rather, there's some shitty middle region, where employees are generally dissatisfied with their wages but not desperate enough to leave.
        carlosjobim 4y ago
        The world is changing more rapidly than ever and the attitudes of young workers (typically found in the hospitality industry) is completely different than just 10 years ago. Even the concept "desperate enough to leave" is alien: If a better opportunity shows up you switch, there is no question about it. Just like you yourself will pump gas at a station with a better price than the one you pumped gas in yesterday. There is absolutely no reward for sticking with an employer in this industry, if another employer has a better offer it's goodbye.

by rtpg 4y ago

dragonwriter 4y ago

> isn’t the whole problem with tipping is that every role with tipping will lower the base pay in consideration of that? That’s a problem. Another problem is that it is demonstrated to be a loophole through which unequal compensation on bases that would otherwise be unlawful for an employer are achieved.

ztrww 4y ago

> I am sure every single person would rather be paid a consistent wage I’m certain that is not the case for many/most (depending on the area and establishment) tipped workers. Most waiters, baristas & bartenders certainly wouldn’t want to earn only slightly more than fast food workers even if the average wage goes up. > will lower the base pay Not in California and some other places (applies to at least 10-15% of the US population)

rtpg 4y ago
> Most waiters, baristas & bartenders certainly wouldn’t want to earn only slightly more than fast food workers even if the average wage goes up. I don’t understand this argument. What I’m saying is to just take what the earnings were with wage + tips, and make it just wage. Literally not changing the total take home pay (I guess people don’t report tips though?)
- panda-giddiness 4y ago
  Unfortunately I doubt this would be a steady state solution. If restaurants were to implement this suggestion, they'd probably undercut each other's prices by significantly lowering the wage of their staff.
  - carlosjobim 4y ago
    Business owners who don't pay their workers satisfactory wages will find nobody to work for them, lose customers and have to close. It's happening rapidly, worldwide, right now.
    - panda-giddiness 4y ago
      Certainly there's a lower bound at which a business owner won't be able to staff their restaurant, but that lower bound isn't one penny less than the status quo. Rather, there's some shitty middle region, where employees are generally dissatisfied with their wages but not desperate enough to leave.
      - carlosjobim 4y ago
        The world is changing more rapidly than ever and the attitudes of young workers (typically found in the hospitality industry) is completely different than just 10 years ago. Even the concept "desperate enough to leave" is alien: If a better opportunity shows up you switch, there is no question about it. Just like you yourself will pump gas at a station with a better price than the one you pumped gas in yesterday. There is absolutely no reward for sticking with an employer in this industry, if another employer has a better offer it's goodbye.