"So to answer your question with a question, to which kind of socialism are you referring?" Obviously Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and add Pol Pot to that list, amo

"So to answer your question with a question, to which kind of socialism are you referring?" Obviously Marxism-Leninism-Maoism and add Pol Pot to that list, among Che Guevara and Castro. Good intentions, but horrible outcome. "Then there's communism in which, in it's final form, there is no state at all. The latter may not even be possible" And it is up to debate and depends greatly how you would define "state". Humans have existed and lived, before formal states were a thing, so it is definitely possible, but apart from that, Humans will always have organisations, to well, organize things. The question is, are these organisations mandatory and formal, or not. And then there are informal hierachies etc. so the main question is, will things improve and how and why, when we get rid of the nation states.