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Don't forget: - Asking for a tip for takeout orders - Asking for the payment including tip before you've received service, often via one of those stupid QR me

Don't forget: - Asking for a tip for takeout orders - Asking for the payment including tip before you've received service, often via one of those stupid QR menus that does who knows what with your order data that is now tied to your phone - Not having 20% as a tip option, but something like 18%, 23%, 27% - Looming over your shoulder while you enter the tip I want servers to make a livable wage. I'm willing to pay more. I want my prices transparent, and I don't want the mountain of guilt and social pressure.

mixmastamyk 4y ago
Also calculating the tip including the tax, instead of just the products/service provided. (Shouldn't be tipping on tax, if you really want to send it to the IRS. :)
n8henrie 4y ago
Thinking about your comment on QR codes -- If memory serves its not difficult on iOS to set something up to display the QR code data as text instead of acting on it. I assume it's similarly opaque to use a URL for the same purpose, which would almost certainly be a "enter your phone / email so we can send you your URL...". In your opinion, assuming electronic ordering, what is the best alternative to a QR code when considering privacy + ease of use?
- shostack 4y ago
  An analog fallback via paper menu. If I'm doing sit down ordering, I don't want to order electronically unless you give me an ipad. And I don't want to pay until the meal is over. Period.
  - n8henrie 4y ago
    So "assuming electronic ordering" your suggestion is for them to provide a device. That makes sense.
deanCommie 4y ago
> - Looming over your shoulder while you enter the tip I'm with you on the rest, but I find this one dramatically exaggerated by a certain type of person. If you're paying by card, the server is going to be around, waiting for you to finish so they can give you a copy of the receipt. I find that there is a certain type of person will always describe this as "looming" or "guilted" or feel "social pressure". Your feelings are legitimate, but the logic behind them is not. While there is definitely pressure to tip (and tip more and more), I've never met a server who would actually act in any way outwardly disappointed by 1) tip of 15%, 2) no tip on takeout, 3) no tip on counter service. While some people will say "you SHOULD tip 20%" (or more), the actual staff will consider anything beyond the old standard bonus.
- shostack 4y ago
  You should avoid characterizing someone as "a certain type of person." Especially an internet stranger that you do not know in the least. I have encountered plenty of servers who hand you the card reader, step back, turn around, whatever, then take it when you're done and walk away. Zero issues. That has been fine. I have likewise encountered overly pushy servers, often those who knew they did a less than stellar job, who literally stood over my shoulder looking at the screen, pointing over my shoulder saying "and here's where you can enter the tip." That sure as hell is creating a sense of "looming" and "guilt" and "social pressure" (if not physical pressure). I've likewise encountered servers who deliver less than stellar service who complained quite vocally when I dared to leave a 15% tip (they should probably have received 0%). Don't mistake your personal experiences for those of others. Don't presume how you feel about social encounters is how others should feel or shame them when they don't align with your world view.

mixmastamyk 4y ago

Also calculating the tip including the tax, instead of just the products/service provided. (Shouldn't be tipping on tax, if you really want to send it to the IRS. :)

n8henrie 4y ago

Thinking about your comment on QR codes -- If memory serves its not difficult on iOS to set something up to display the QR code data as text instead of acting on it. I assume it's similarly opaque to use a URL for the same purpose, which would almost certainly be a "enter your phone / email so we can send you your URL...". In your opinion, assuming electronic ordering, what is the best alternative to a QR code when considering privacy + ease of use?

shostack 4y ago
An analog fallback via paper menu. If I'm doing sit down ordering, I don't want to order electronically unless you give me an ipad. And I don't want to pay until the meal is over. Period.
- n8henrie 4y ago
  So "assuming electronic ordering" your suggestion is for them to provide a device. That makes sense.

deanCommie 4y ago

> - Looming over your shoulder while you enter the tip I'm with you on the rest, but I find this one dramatically exaggerated by a certain type of person. If you're paying by card, the server is going to be around, waiting for you to finish so they can give you a copy of the receipt. I find that there is a certain type of person will always describe this as "looming" or "guilted" or feel "social pressure". Your feelings are legitimate, but the logic behind them is not. While there is definitely pressure to tip (and tip more and more), I've never met a server who would actually act in any way outwardly disappointed by 1) tip of 15%, 2) no tip on takeout, 3) no tip on counter service. While some people will say "you SHOULD tip 20%" (or more), the actual staff will consider anything beyond the old standard bonus.

shostack 4y ago
You should avoid characterizing someone as "a certain type of person." Especially an internet stranger that you do not know in the least. I have encountered plenty of servers who hand you the card reader, step back, turn around, whatever, then take it when you're done and walk away. Zero issues. That has been fine. I have likewise encountered overly pushy servers, often those who knew they did a less than stellar job, who literally stood over my shoulder looking at the screen, pointing over my shoulder saying "and here's where you can enter the tip." That sure as hell is creating a sense of "looming" and "guilt" and "social pressure" (if not physical pressure). I've likewise encountered servers who deliver less than stellar service who complained quite vocally when I dared to leave a 15% tip (they should probably have received 0%). Don't mistake your personal experiences for those of others. Don't presume how you feel about social encounters is how others should feel or shame them when they don't align with your world view.