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> that didn't allow them to get a bank account This sounds like the real problem to solve. It's unacceptable for people to be unable to get a bank account and

by 8note 4y ago

> that didn't allow them to get a bank account This sounds like the real problem to solve. It's unacceptable for people to be unable to get a bank account and whatever cards to pay cashless

andirk 4y ago
OK but it is an issue. How about solve that decades old problem before turning people away and insisting that whatever payment processor take some 2-5% of your purchase. It's a complete digression of technology.
xp84 4y ago
In civilized countries they solved this decades ago by allowing the postal service to offer simple bank accounts. It's totally a fake problem that untrustworthy people can't be trusted in modern times with bank accounts. The risk is check bouncing. People don't "need" checks anymore though to function in the cashless world. We already have prepaid card accounts that don't allow you to spend money you don't have. The only catch is that they're run as profiteering machines which extract fees at every turn. I guess what I'm saying is, let USPS run an operation (like Green Dot, Vanilla, etc.) but with a fee structure based on the true cost of the service only. And the government should give Visa and Mastercard the choice of: 1. antitrust suit to break them up. 2. the USPS cards will be a V/MC, and V/MC will give them very deeply discounted interchange rates 3. a new independent USPS card network with low fees will be built AND commercialized for any issuer to use, and a regulation that anyone who accepts V/MC must also accept that network.
- Freak_NL 4y ago
  > The risk is check bouncing. Checks aren't a thing in most of the world. Opening a bank account is hard because of know-your-customer laws. The civilised solution to this is very simple: cash! Until you get you bearings and have a bank account opened, just use cash. Tourist in a country where your debit or credit cards don't reliably work or come with extra fees? Cash! Buying a second-hand piece of furniture from someone else, and don't feel the need to expose more information than necessary? Cash! Electronic payment system goes down while you are in the queue at the supermarket? No problem, because you always carry a little cash for backup. (I've had this happen to me several times.) Cash is the ultimate fallback in civilized society, and worth protecting.
nicbou 4y ago
In Germany a free account is a right, but recent immigrants often struggle because banks require a registered address, a residence permit, or a biometric passport. A recent immigrant from countries that don't issue biometric passports (like India) might struggle to open a bank account. I had to devote a lot of time to finding loopholes for my readers.
michaelt 4y ago
America has a substantial underclass of undocumented migrants who would presumably not be interested in getting their KYC info and employment details put in a big database. The status of such migrants is (AIUI) a fraught issue politically, and I'm not sure you can resolve the issues of the unbanked without resolving it.
tekknik 4y ago
It’s very hard to get denied a checking account, even with walking away from multiple accounts with negative balances. I’d bet they didn’t try hard enough or this is a lie.

by 8note 4y ago

> that didn't allow them to get a bank account This sounds like the real problem to solve. It's unacceptable for people to be unable to get a bank account and whatever cards to pay cashless

andirk 4y ago

OK but it is an issue. How about solve that decades old problem before turning people away and insisting that whatever payment processor take some 2-5% of your purchase. It's a complete digression of technology.

xp84 4y ago

In civilized countries they solved this decades ago by allowing the postal service to offer simple bank accounts. It's totally a fake problem that untrustworthy people can't be trusted in modern times with bank accounts. The risk is check bouncing. People don't "need" checks anymore though to function in the cashless world. We already have prepaid card accounts that don't allow you to spend money you don't have. The only catch is that they're run as profiteering machines which extract fees at every turn. I guess what I'm saying is, let USPS run an operation (like Green Dot, Vanilla, etc.) but with a fee structure based on the true cost of the service only. And the government should give Visa and Mastercard the choice of: 1. antitrust suit to break them up. 2. the USPS cards will be a V/MC, and V/MC will give them very deeply discounted interchange rates 3. a new independent USPS card network with low fees will be built AND commercialized for any issuer to use, and a regulation that anyone who accepts V/MC must also accept that network.

Freak_NL 4y ago
> The risk is check bouncing. Checks aren't a thing in most of the world. Opening a bank account is hard because of know-your-customer laws. The civilised solution to this is very simple: cash! Until you get you bearings and have a bank account opened, just use cash. Tourist in a country where your debit or credit cards don't reliably work or come with extra fees? Cash! Buying a second-hand piece of furniture from someone else, and don't feel the need to expose more information than necessary? Cash! Electronic payment system goes down while you are in the queue at the supermarket? No problem, because you always carry a little cash for backup. (I've had this happen to me several times.) Cash is the ultimate fallback in civilized society, and worth protecting.

nicbou 4y ago

In Germany a free account is a right, but recent immigrants often struggle because banks require a registered address, a residence permit, or a biometric passport. A recent immigrant from countries that don't issue biometric passports (like India) might struggle to open a bank account. I had to devote a lot of time to finding loopholes for my readers.

michaelt 4y ago

America has a substantial underclass of undocumented migrants who would presumably not be interested in getting their KYC info and employment details put in a big database. The status of such migrants is (AIUI) a fraught issue politically, and I'm not sure you can resolve the issues of the unbanked without resolving it.

tekknik 4y ago

It’s very hard to get denied a checking account, even with walking away from multiple accounts with negative balances. I’d bet they didn’t try hard enough or this is a lie.