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Where is it illegal to smoke with a child in the car? Not to get political but we can’t even get people in the US to agree to a bump stock ban.

defrost 4y ago
15.6.5.2 Legislation banning smoking in cars in Australia All Australian states and territories now have legislation in force which prohibits smoking in cars while children are present. In June 2006, more than a decade after the issue of smoking in cars was first discussed in Australia, the Tasmanian Government released a discussion paper that included a proposal to ban smoking in cars carrying children in that state. In March 2007 a proposal to introduce legislation banning smoking in cars carrying children under 18 was announced. A Bill to amend s.67H(2) of the Public Health Act 1997 (Tas.) was passed and came into force on 19 December 2007,iv making Tasmania the first Australian jurisdiction to implement such a ban. - https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-15-smokefree-environment/15-6-domestic-environments https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-15-smokefree-e...
tb_technical 4y ago
Red herring. It's an explicit right to own firearms in the US. No one has a right to smoke next to a child explicitly listed in a founding document. This is why any gun related restriction gets stiff resistance. Contrast this with smoking - generally seen as a social blight. They're not comparable issues at all.
- gymbeaux 4y ago
  Both speak to the ignorance and "closed-mindedness" Americans are known for, however I see your point. That said, it's worth noting that those who fight for gun rights "because it's in the constitution" are themselves engaging in logical fallacy (appeal to tradition, I believe), and ignoring relevant facts such as the ever-decreasing relevance of firearms in everyday life, and the reduced ability of mere firearms to overthrow a tyrannical government.
  - tb_technical 4y ago
    There aren't that many people who fight for gun rights "because it's in the Constitution". The vast majority of guns rights advocates own and enjoy using their guns. Their argument is "don't take my rights away". The "It's in the constitution" line is a talking point. There's more to this issue than our news organizations would let us believe. Firearms have an important role for people who live in remote places - security and food being the most important. Aside from these reasons, there are many ethical reasons to participate in hunting seasons. Just one example, look up chronic wasting disease in Northern Wisconsin - this prion disease among white tail deer happened because the population became too large in those areas. The ten most populous cities in the US are where the majority of gun violence occur. Perhaps it's better, then, that these places have more gun restrictions than the people who live in remote places. In a sense this is actually a cultural issue
heavyset_go 4y ago
Here's a list of states and relevant statutes from 2017[1]. [1] https://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resources/Prohibitions-Chart-Smoking-With-Children-Cars-2017.pdf https://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resour...
- chrisco255 4y ago
  Notably, none of those list it as a "crime". Instead, it's a civil penalty with a small fine.
  - gymbeaux 4y ago
    A joke, in other words. I didn't think it was "illegal" anywhere in the US. I'm glad to see other countries take it more seriously.
ac29 4y ago
Its been illegal in California since 2008
- gymbeaux 4y ago
  Sure enough! It's a $100 fine, however police cannot stop a vehicle just for this, it seems[0], so it carries less weight. Better than nothing, though. [0] https://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0220.htm#:~:text=The%20law%20(Cal.,fine%20of%20up%20to%20%24100 https://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0220.htm#:~:text=The%....

defrost 4y ago

15.6.5.2 Legislation banning smoking in cars in Australia All Australian states and territories now have legislation in force which prohibits smoking in cars while children are present. In June 2006, more than a decade after the issue of smoking in cars was first discussed in Australia, the Tasmanian Government released a discussion paper that included a proposal to ban smoking in cars carrying children in that state. In March 2007 a proposal to introduce legislation banning smoking in cars carrying children under 18 was announced. A Bill to amend s.67H(2) of the Public Health Act 1997 (Tas.) was passed and came into force on 19 December 2007,iv making Tasmania the first Australian jurisdiction to implement such a ban. - https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-15-smokefree-environment/15-6-domestic-environments https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-15-smokefree-e...

tb_technical 4y ago

Red herring. It's an explicit right to own firearms in the US. No one has a right to smoke next to a child explicitly listed in a founding document. This is why any gun related restriction gets stiff resistance. Contrast this with smoking - generally seen as a social blight. They're not comparable issues at all.

gymbeaux 4y ago
Both speak to the ignorance and "closed-mindedness" Americans are known for, however I see your point. That said, it's worth noting that those who fight for gun rights "because it's in the constitution" are themselves engaging in logical fallacy (appeal to tradition, I believe), and ignoring relevant facts such as the ever-decreasing relevance of firearms in everyday life, and the reduced ability of mere firearms to overthrow a tyrannical government.
- tb_technical 4y ago
  There aren't that many people who fight for gun rights "because it's in the Constitution". The vast majority of guns rights advocates own and enjoy using their guns. Their argument is "don't take my rights away". The "It's in the constitution" line is a talking point. There's more to this issue than our news organizations would let us believe. Firearms have an important role for people who live in remote places - security and food being the most important. Aside from these reasons, there are many ethical reasons to participate in hunting seasons. Just one example, look up chronic wasting disease in Northern Wisconsin - this prion disease among white tail deer happened because the population became too large in those areas. The ten most populous cities in the US are where the majority of gun violence occur. Perhaps it's better, then, that these places have more gun restrictions than the people who live in remote places. In a sense this is actually a cultural issue

heavyset_go 4y ago

Here's a list of states and relevant statutes from 2017[1]. [1] https://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resources/Prohibitions-Chart-Smoking-With-Children-Cars-2017.pdf https://publichealthlawcenter.org/sites/default/files/resour...

chrisco255 4y ago
Notably, none of those list it as a "crime". Instead, it's a civil penalty with a small fine.
- gymbeaux 4y ago
  A joke, in other words. I didn't think it was "illegal" anywhere in the US. I'm glad to see other countries take it more seriously.

ac29 4y ago

Its been illegal in California since 2008

gymbeaux 4y ago
Sure enough! It's a $100 fine, however police cannot stop a vehicle just for this, it seems[0], so it carries less weight. Better than nothing, though. [0] https://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0220.htm#:~:text=The%20law%20(Cal.,fine%20of%20up%20to%20%24100 https://www.cga.ct.gov/2009/rpt/2009-R-0220.htm#:~:text=The%....