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and end up in a situation where 80% of the country is over 70 and cannot function? how is that better or short-lived?

defrost 4y ago
My father was born in 1935, he's 87 going on 88 and takes a turn on roster once a week to deliver meals on wheels to the old people that struggle to get by. Otherwise he potters on with his meetings on the organisational side of the local bushfire brigade and looking after his 15 km section of a 1,000 kilometre long bushwalking track that runs past not too far away .. when he's not splitting wood, fixing gates, etc. He's not altogether unusual in the area, there's a lot of still active older folk about the place. Can you expand more on how everybody over 70 cannot function?
- twelve40 4y ago
  that a great data set of 1. In Japan, men are statistically not expected to live past 81, so it's safe to say most of them are in deep decline after 70, a few years away from death. Also, officially after 65 they can stop working, so who is even going to work in the whole country??
  - defrost 4y ago
    Data set of at least 2,000 within the immediate district .. read more carefully and I know the local demographics. People here 'retire' early also - those that stay active with volunter work live longer. Japan has an aging population, it's entirely possible that those that are aged and active can contribute to the care of those that require assistance.
    - twelve40 4y ago
      well, we will find out soon enough. I think it will be pretty bleak and there is no going back unless they let people in.
Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
Short lived because the population will decline until it reaches a sustainable level. Lets say 30-40 years.
- twelve40 4y ago
  how can the population possibly reach "sustainable" level (not sure what this word means in this context, im assuming non-decreasing?), when the fertility rate today is 1.34 (need 2.1) and plummeting? It's going to get worse the more old people they have, because old people can't have children. When the whole country is old, there will be no children, because who's going to make them, even if they have an odd sudden change of heart?
  - Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
    The old people die. The population rerurns to 2.1. Do you really think it will continue to go down forever? Do you not see the increadible overpopulation and housing costs in Japanese cities as the cause of low fertility? Why do you think there is something inherently "wrong" with Japanese people that can only be solved by foreigners?

My father was born in 1935, he's 87 going on 88 and takes a turn on roster once a week to deliver meals on wheels to the old people that struggle to get by. Otherwise he potters on with his meetings on the organisational side of the local bushfire brigade and looking after his 15 km section of a 1,000 kilometre long bushwalking track that runs past not too far away .. when he's not splitting wood, fixing gates, etc. He's not altogether unusual in the area, there's a lot of still active older folk about the place. Can you expand more on how everybody over 70 cannot function?

twelve40 4y ago
that a great data set of 1. In Japan, men are statistically not expected to live past 81, so it's safe to say most of them are in deep decline after 70, a few years away from death. Also, officially after 65 they can stop working, so who is even going to work in the whole country??
- defrost 4y ago
  Data set of at least 2,000 within the immediate district .. read more carefully and I know the local demographics. People here 'retire' early also - those that stay active with volunter work live longer. Japan has an aging population, it's entirely possible that those that are aged and active can contribute to the care of those that require assistance.
  - twelve40 4y ago
    well, we will find out soon enough. I think it will be pretty bleak and there is no going back unless they let people in.

Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago

Short lived because the population will decline until it reaches a sustainable level. Lets say 30-40 years.

twelve40 4y ago
how can the population possibly reach "sustainable" level (not sure what this word means in this context, im assuming non-decreasing?), when the fertility rate today is 1.34 (need 2.1) and plummeting? It's going to get worse the more old people they have, because old people can't have children. When the whole country is old, there will be no children, because who's going to make them, even if they have an odd sudden change of heart?
- Vt71fcAqt7 4y ago
  The old people die. The population rerurns to 2.1. Do you really think it will continue to go down forever? Do you not see the increadible overpopulation and housing costs in Japanese cities as the cause of low fertility? Why do you think there is something inherently "wrong" with Japanese people that can only be solved by foreigners?