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>If by this whole thing you mean Trump's conduct which is the subject of the criminal grand jury investigation which produced the subpoenas with which he failed

>If by this whole thing you mean Trump's conduct which is the subject of the criminal grand jury investigation which produced the subpoenas with which he failed to comply, resulting in the search warrant, yes, the conduct started before the investigation of the conduct. That’s... rather normal. That is not what I mean. I mean they went to his house, took documents then later came back for the raid. Why didn't they take all the documents at the beginning? >Clearly, the fact that they asked for risk mitigation until documents could be recovered demonstrated that they did care. They could have taken them when they took the other documents or could have not waited months to come back and get them. It makes no sense that they would wait months if they thought there was any harm in Trump having the documents. >Nixon Administration (1969-1974) records were not subject to the Presidential Records Act of 1978 for... reasons which should be fairly obvious. You are correct. I knew Nixon had documents but forgot the law was created after him >Because they didn't steal huge quantities of government documents in the first place, despite lies Trump's defenders keep telling and NARA keeps refuting, where Presidential library records held by NARA from former Administrations are falsely presented as being privately held by ex-Presidents in order to present a false “everyone else did it, too” narrative to minimize Trump’s wrongdoing You are correct. I haven't kept up with topic. >Because he actually stole a bunch of government documents. So did Biden which is clearly what this whole comparison was about. I made a few poor comparisons with past presidents, but Biden's situation does seem quite similar. Which interestingly enough you didn't respond to.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> I mean they went to his house, took documents then later came back for the raid. Why didn’t they take all the documents at the beginning? They didn’t “take” anything before the warrant. Trump hand over documents before the subpoena, he handed over documents in response to the subpoena, he certified that he had handed over all responsive documents after handing over documents in response to the subpoena, and then, when the government found evidence that that declaration was false, they got a search warrant. > They could have taken them when they took the other documents No, they couldn’t, because Trump didn’t produce them when he turned over the other documents. They couldn’t search for and seize documents that weren’t being handed over voluntarily without the authority to do so, authority which comes through a search warrant. > So did Biden There is a special counsel investigating the Biden case (and one was appointed almost immediately), its far less clear (because these matters don’t tend to leak before resolved or charged, unless the target makes a huge public deal out of them by making extravagant social media claims and filing bizarro lawsuits to attempt to retain custody of the government documents) whether or not there was any either deliberate wrongdoing to knowing misrepresentation after the fact in the Biden case. But the idea that the law is not being enforced is based on, AFAICT, shear fantasy.

dragonwriter 4y ago

> I mean they went to his house, took documents then later came back for the raid. Why didn’t they take all the documents at the beginning? They didn’t “take” anything before the warrant. Trump hand over documents before the subpoena, he handed over documents in response to the subpoena, he certified that he had handed over all responsive documents after handing over documents in response to the subpoena, and then, when the government found evidence that that declaration was false, they got a search warrant. > They could have taken them when they took the other documents No, they couldn’t, because Trump didn’t produce them when he turned over the other documents. They couldn’t search for and seize documents that weren’t being handed over voluntarily without the authority to do so, authority which comes through a search warrant. > So did Biden There is a special counsel investigating the Biden case (and one was appointed almost immediately), its far less clear (because these matters don’t tend to leak before resolved or charged, unless the target makes a huge public deal out of them by making extravagant social media claims and filing bizarro lawsuits to attempt to retain custody of the government documents) whether or not there was any either deliberate wrongdoing to knowing misrepresentation after the fact in the Biden case. But the idea that the law is not being enforced is based on, AFAICT, shear fantasy.